Spurs Win Total for 2018-19: 43.5

[Donald Kaufman]

Las Vegas odds makers have us at 43.5 wins for next year...

We won 47 last year and we added DD, Poeltl, Belinelli and drafted LW!

I'm betting the over! This is a 50 win team as far as I'm concerned.

Here's the ESPN story:http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24293923/las-vegas-sportsbook-pegs-los-angeles-lakers-playoff-team

[DROB27]

Apparently losing Green and Anderson are gonna cause us to miss the playoffs

[imagump1313]

Its a Vegas line so you have to remember that they are trying to get people to wager both sides. The haters are going to jump on the under and the fans are going to jump on the over. There are a few West teams that are all going to be between 40-50 wins just like last year so we were just the odd team out in whatever formula they are using.
I wouldn't take it personally. Vegas certainly doesnt.

I actually am looking forward to no one talking about us and forgetting we exist like that have for the last 20 years. I'm excited to see what we can do.

[mirrornick]

With DeRozan. You should expect at least 55 wins. Easy over

[-Sammy-]

^^^
Yeah, it's an easy over. As gump remarked, these predictions are designed to get people on both sides betting, not to serve as exhaustive basketball analysis.

[mikejames23]

I would prefer to see a new set of stars and that's it. We have a top 10 guy with DeRozan. Otherwise, lost era, lost cause. This will be like the Gervin era again. Not looking forward to it for another few years.

[imagump1313]

I would prefer to see a new set of stars and that's it. We have a top 10 guy with DeRozan. Otherwise, lost era, lost cause. This will be like the Gervin era again. Not looking forward to it for another few years.

What was wrong with the Gervin era?

When Gervin was on the Spurs(1974-85) they made it to the playoffs every year except 1984 and got to the conference championship 4 times. We had stars like Billy Paultz, James Silas, Artis Gilmore, Louie Dampier...etc.

I know it was a long time ago and many of us might not have been born but I'll take success like that anyday.

[mikejames23]

I would prefer to see a new set of stars and that's it. We have a top 10 guy with DeRozan. Otherwise, lost era, lost cause. This will be like the Gervin era again. Not looking forward to it for another few years.

What was wrong with the Gervin era?

When Gervin was on the Spurs(1974-85) they made it to the playoffs every year except 1984 and got to the conference championship 4 times. We had stars like Billy Paultz, James Silas, Artis Gilmore, Louie Dampier...etc.

I know it was a long time ago and many of us might not have been born but I'll take success like that anyday.

It brings a Toronto Raptors type of attitude to the culture rather than an elite international brain organization. It's not success to me, but frankly with the Warriors build the next few years figure out to be Curry's Hitleresque dominance on the NBA. I have never seen a recruiter like Steph.

However, what pleases you so much after watching the Spurs come out of an era with 5 championships?

[imagump1313]

I'm not sure what you mean.
No one is winning a championship every year.

I understand many fans think no one is beating the Warriors.
But they also thought no one would ever beat the Showtime Lakers until the Pistons came along.
Then no one thought the Kobe-Shaq Lakers would be beaten until the Spurs came along.
Then fans believed the Heat were going to win 7 championships until the Mavericks and the Spurs came along.

Fans are caught up in the Warriors are never going to lose narrative but players and teams are not. Contrary to popular opinion, the Warriors are closer to the end then they are to the beginning so why not try to be good and take a shot if you can? The Philly method of tanking that everyone seems to think is the only way to win hasn't won anything that I have seen

[ObiWan_Ginobili]

I think that’s a bit of a low score for the Spurs.
But the middle of the West is packed this year. Probably 10 teams that can make the playoffs maybe more. Wins will be harder to come by this season.
Still think we’ll touch 50 wins again.



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[Donald Kaufman]

I'm not sure what you mean.
No one is winning a championship every year.

I understand many fans think no one is beating the Warriors.
But they also thought no one would ever beat the Showtime Lakers until the Pistons came along.
Then no one thought the Kobe-Shaq Lakers would be beaten until the Spurs came along.
Then fans believed the Heat were going to win 7 championships until the Mavericks and the Spurs came along.

Fans are caught up in the Warriors are never going to lose narrative but players and teams are not. Contrary to popular opinion, the Warriors are closer to the end then they are to the beginning so why not try to be good and take a shot if you can? The Philly method of tanking that everyone seems to think is the only way to win hasn't won anything that I have seen

I agree. The Warriors are beatable. The Rockets proved that, and if CP3 doesn't go down in G5 of the West Finals, The W's are likely gone. I think they know that too.

I hate the narrative of 'oh, team x is unbeatable, let's not try'...OK, so what does that mean? 29 teams give up because of 1 supposed superteam? I like that teams want to knock off Golden State. This is meant to be competitive.

The Warriors are amazing, no question, but no team is unbeatable.

[Donald Kaufman]

I would prefer to see a new set of stars and that's it. We have a top 10 guy with DeRozan. Otherwise, lost era, lost cause. This will be like the Gervin era again. Not looking forward to it for another few years.

No offense, it's this type of Spurs fan that really bugs me. We've had it good - scratch that, great - for two-plus decades. So what if we're "average" (read: hovering around 50 wins and a 1st or 2nd round exit) team for the forseeable future? How many fanbases would trade all of their misery for just one of our title runs?

We've been blessed to witness greatness for this long, being a treadmill team isn't the end of the world.

Let's not become entitled like Laker fans. We aren't owed anything.

[mikejames23]

I would prefer to see a new set of stars and that's it. We have a top 10 guy with DeRozan. Otherwise, lost era, lost cause. This will be like the Gervin era again. Not looking forward to it for another few years.

No offense, it's this type of Spurs fan that really bugs me. We've had it good - scratch that, great - for two-plus decades. So what if we're "average" (read: hovering around 50 wins and a 1st or 2nd round exit) team for the forseeable future? How many fanbases would trade all of their misery for just one of our title runs?

We've been blessed to witness greatness for this long, being a treadmill team isn't the end of the world.

Let's not become entitled like Laker fans. We aren't owed anything.

See, I will say - we are owed. That's all. And if we aren't, why watch games? Is DeRozan pretending to play basketball or being our star? I confess. It's our sorrow.

[G R E Y]

I would prefer to see a new set of stars and that's it. We have a top 10 guy with DeRozan. Otherwise, lost era, lost cause. This will be like the Gervin era again. Not looking forward to it for another few years.

No offense, it's this type of Spurs fan that really bugs me. We've had it good - scratch that, great - for two-plus decades. So what if we're "average" (read: hovering around 50 wins and a 1st or 2nd round exit) team for the forseeable future? How many fanbases would trade all of their misery for just one of our title runs?

We've been blessed to witness greatness for this long, being a treadmill team isn't the end of the world.

Let's not become entitled like Laker fans. We aren't owed anything.

Spurs greatness for so long has to do with what's driving the team underneath, and it's because of it that we don't take it for granted or feel we're owed anything, I agree.

But it's also why I disagree that we're somehow a 'treadmill' team now. An unexpected (relatively) transition was thrust upon us, and we made a good trade even after getting handcuffed publicly into it, so while we are in a transition year with roster changes, it is ironically on more solid ground internally and better balanced on the court (trades and FA addressed needs well, even if now there are new opportunities for guys to step up in areas we have openings to do so).

'Treadmill' is staying in the same place purposefully and without direction. Neither applies to us. The trade we made for DeMar and Jakob address 'now and future' - always the focus. To that end, team cohesion and instilling and emulating the program is progress, and the one and two year deals in place is the plan. At that point, whatever transition takes place, be it retaining or getting new players, will be to add to those who have the program instilled.

I know people focus on teams that are contenders, but if you play the right way and focus on details of fundamentals in games or at times that 'don't matter as much' (no such thing), then you catch teams off guard. After all a 73-win team losing the finals happened. Three years ago, we won 67 games, but got caught in the second round; two years ago we won 61 games and were up over 20 points against a juggernaut of a team until Zaza. Would the eventual outcome have been different had we stayed healthy? Can't argue a hypothetical, but we did have something figured out up to that point. At least the series would have been far more competitive and results up in the air.

Last year was an anomaly in many ways, because of both the internal friction to deal with and the ongoing changes on the court - altering the O on the fly, players adjusting to new roles and positions, guys in and out of the line-up due to nearly 200 games lost to injuries. The previous few years we were in the top five in 3FG%; last year, bottom five, this even with taking more 3s, and the misses coming more on open than on contested shots beyond the arc. Even with all these issues, we still had excellent D overall. The easiest thing would have been to mail it in, but the Spurs refused to do that and willed themselves into the post-season. That's part of the underlying foundation driving them; it's how they're wired, then and now.

I'm not a betting lady, but over is my choice, not because Vegas odds play to both ends, and not because part of their reasoning is 'a bunch of old guys shooting 2s' - even though we got younger and shored up a secondary scoring threat with a guy who can create his own shot and tertiary scoring with stronger 3 shooting. It's because of the program and the people that keep it all going forward together.

[Donald Kaufman]

Treadmill team = not a genuine contender, not a lottery team. I personally think we qualify as one now.

I'm okay with it. I'll be watching anyway.

[G R E Y]

Treadmill team = not a genuine contender, not a lottery team. I personally think we qualify as one now.

I'm okay with it. I'll be watching anyway.

So 90% of the league is 'treadmill'? Seems too broad a definition. Treadmill teams are stuck and without an apparent direction or plan for improvement. That's just not us. I will be watching, too. Actually looking forward to the new Spurs chapter, one with a cohesive locker room and guys on the same page.

[Donald Kaufman]

The way the league is set up now, yeah, basically. There's probably 3 or 4 teams that can legitimately lay claim to being a contender (GSW, Houston, Boston, maybe Toronto, maybe Philly) and some awful teams with little hope for the future. And then there's the NBA's middle class, which comprises probably 20 teams. And I think we're right in that mix.

[mirrornick]

Logically the Spurs simply will win 43+ and I am certain of it. It doesn't make any sense, they won 47 games for the most part without Kawhi. Now they added an all star 25/5/5 player (2nd ALL NBA).

DD is an iron man too so don't expect him to miss many games which should also play a big factor in the Spurs' season. The fact that the so called analysts are predicting the Spurs to miss the playoffs is remarkably nonsensical. The Spurs fans this season will have an easier decision to place a bet on the over/under.

[G R E Y]

Logically the Spurs simply will win 43+ and I am certain of it. It doesn't make any sense, they won 47 games for the most part without Kawhi. Now they added an all star 25/5/5 player (2nd ALL NBA).

DD is an iron man too so don't expect him to miss many games which should also play a big factor in the Spurs' season. The fact that the so called analysts are predicting the Spurs to miss the playoffs is remarkably nonsensical. The Spurs fans this season will have an easier decision to place a bet on the over/under.

Well nothing's a given. That said, the number comes from a mathematical formula, one that appeals to bettors on both sides, and one that I believe decreases the win total by factoring Leonard's absence, when in fact that was already largely the case last year. Formulas are just that. That's why we play.

Beyond win projections, I'm more interested in seeing how we play: how we come together as a team within the program, how we pay attention to details and fundamentals on both ends, how we communicate, how we improve. Stay committed to those, and the rest takes care of itself. It's that adage of feeling like we deserve the win because of how we play, rather than getting a win despite not playing our best. Both will happen, but you want more of the former than the latter. Play the right way, and the results will come.

[mirrornick]

Logically the Spurs simply will win 43+ and I am certain of it. It doesn't make any sense, they won 47 games for the most part without Kawhi. Now they added an all star 25/5/5 player (2nd ALL NBA).

DD is an iron man too so don't expect him to miss many games which should also play a big factor in the Spurs' season. The fact that the so called analysts are predicting the Spurs to miss the playoffs is remarkably nonsensical. The Spurs fans this season will have an easier decision to place a bet on the over/under.

Well nothing's a given. That said, the number comes from a mathematical formula, one that appeals to bettors on both sides, and one that I believe decreases the win total by factoring Leonard's absence, when in fact that was already largely the case last year. Formulas are just that. That's why we play.

Beyond win projections, I'm more interested in seeing how we play: how we come together as a team within the program, how we pay attention to details and fundamentals on both ends, how we communicate, how we improve. Stay committed to those, and the rest takes care of itself. It's that adage of feeling like we deserve the win because of how we play, rather than getting a win despite not playing our best. Both will happen, but you want more of the former than the latter. Play the right way, and the results will come.

You will love having DeMar on your team. A very team orientated, good character, strong work ethic and overall a good locker room guy who doesn't cause problems. He should fit in right away.