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Hey gents, I was going to start this topic as we usually have one of this sort in the off-season anyway, so I moved the specific trade idea and its discussion here.

Grey

imagump1313 wrote:Trade or release McDermott. If we keep all out picks we are going to need a roster spot.

Are you guys planning on re-signing Poeltl?

I was thinking of a S&T deal like this...



I think it's a fair deal for both sides. Not sure how Spurs fans would feel about it though...

LoveMyRaps wrote:

imagump1313 wrote:Trade or release McDermott. If we keep all out picks we are going to need a roster spot.

Are you guys planning on re-signing Poeltl?

I was thinking of a S&T deal like this...



I think it's a fair deal for both sides. Not sure how Spurs fans would feel about it though...

Contracts aside, that package doesn't even get you Jakob alone. The base asking price I believe was a quality up and coming talent plus a first round pick.

But with respect to this deal from our side, we're trading away our starting front court which includes one of the best defensive bigs in the league and one of the best 3s shooters (albeit lacking defensively) for a G, a position we're stocked in, whose contract would make him the highest paid Spurs player, in other words, making more than Dejounte with worse stats; and Svi who I had to look up - a SF, same size as McD, a bench player who averages 12.8 MPG, 4.6PPG.

So, we are once again lacking any depth at our 4 and 5, we give up the best player the deal who is also in a position of need, we get back a G on a high contract and in a position we're stocked at, and a bench guy who is... tall. Well it works financially, but there's no incentive for us to do this deal contract-wise or team-wise.

LoveMyRaps wrote:

imagump1313 wrote:Trade or release McDermott. If we keep all out picks we are going to need a roster spot.

Are you guys planning on re-signing Poeltl?

I was thinking of a S&T deal like this...



I think it's a fair deal for both sides. Not sure how Spurs fans would feel about it though...

I have to agree with Grey about Poeltl. There is no way what you're offering would even get him alone. Its kind of funny how soo many people think we are sleeping on Poeltl somehow. Even if we resign him it will be a bargain compared what we would have to pay for anyone else to fill his role and I haven't seen any mention of him wanting to go elsewhere.

I would take Trent JRs salary if you would take McDermott from us in a second though. Throw in any other guy who's salary would make it work.

Who should we target in RFA? UFA? Trades? Who do we want to keep or who are we willing to part with and for what player/package and why?

Detroit rumor going around with J. Grant and I. Stewart for McDermott, Richardson and our #20 this year.

I would feel better giving #25 instead of #20 but I think I still like this either way. People might be cautious because Grant only has one year left but if he doesn't work out and walks, who cares? And if he does fit and wants to stay we have room to resign him.

People in SA would LOVE how Stewart plays. Total energy guy. And he hates LeBron James which is always a plus

Not that we could get him or are even interested in getting him, but our chances to get Deandre Ayton went up after last night. Dude wants out of there.

While everyone is looking at Ayton it would be cool if the Spurs could sneak in and snag Cam Johnson. Not much chance tho.

JeffReal wrote:While everyone is looking at Ayton it would be cool if the Spurs could sneak in and snag Cam Johnson. Not much chance tho.

Good idea but I don't think Phoenix is going to rebuild from here, which would be the only chance to get him. They might not have a choice with Ayton though.(not saying I want him here that bad)

Out of pure curiosity from a Sixers fan, what would you guys think of a trade for Tobias Harris?

Obviously shouldn’t be a #1 plan for the Spurs and I won’t try to justify the contract…BUT Harris would actually fit pretty nicely at the 4 in your lineup, is by all accounts a great locker room guy for your young core, and the contract would only be 2 years for the Spurs.

And of course the Spurs would be giving up nothing of significance…McDermott, Richardson and Langford for Harris? Doesn’t affect your cap situation too much and also opens up roster spots.

Murray
Vassell/Walker/Primo
Johnson
Harris
Poeltl

+ #9 and Collins and that’s not a very solid 9 man rotation for the Spurs.

PhillyFan11 wrote:Out of pure curiosity from a Sixers fan, what would you guys think of a trade for Tobias Harris?

Obviously shouldn’t be a #1 plan for the Spurs and I won’t try to justify the contract…BUT Harris would actually fit pretty nicely at the 4 in your lineup, is by all accounts a great locker room guy for your young core, and the contract would only be 2 years for the Spurs.

And of course the Spurs would be giving up nothing of significance…McDermott, Richardson and Langford for Harris? Doesn’t affect your cap situation too much and also opens up roster spots.

Murray
Vassell/Walker/Primo
Johnson
Harris
Poeltl

+ #9 and Collins and that’s not a very solid 9 man rotation for the Spurs.

I think if we were in a different place we may consider it but we just finished year one of a rebuild. We are in asset acquisition mode, in other words, there would have to be some pick compensation especially with that contract and Philly getting shorter ones back.

I like Harris and he's a bigger body which we need but oof 17PPG for $37M and $39M when 76ers get more points combined from Doug and JRich on better financials is tough for a team in our position.

I actually like the idea in general in terms of roster balance (Lonnie contract tbd) but not sure that money and those assets can't be used elsewhere if no picks come our way.

Wouldn't surprise me though if we consolidated our assets for said roster balance and still clean books.

Tobias Harris would be great to have on the team for maybe 15M or something in that area. But 36M and increasing? No, it can’t be justified. Harris is not worth that big a chunk of the Spurs’ salary space.

With the various weaknesses of the team, the Spurs shouldn’t spend that much on one player unless he’s the superstar they need.

Some odds about prospective players. We have suspected the interest, so confirmation of sorts via odds makers:

BetOnline has us at 3/1 odds, third behind Detroit and Orlando. Given the latter is drafting a big and both of those teams are worse than us, seems like our chances are better:


EDIT to add: Update - we're still third in best odds with the Pacers taking Magic's spot



And we're first to land LaVine if he doesn't re-sign with the Bulls:


It just can't be at $40M/yr for Zach. Even factoring in you have to pay more for AS-level players who can create their own shots who choose a smaller market, I hope we have the terms figured out so that we can field a deep team around him and/or them.

A Jakob update:


Happy for him if they work out the insurance. As long as Jakob stays healthy, best of luck in representing his country.

And a couple of trade ideas:





I see the idea, though not in love with either given that Wood is an expiring and a headcase, and Duren is a more athletic Jakob in that he's a traditional C - no 3s, better than Jakob but still not great FTs.

Depends on what we do with our cap in the off-season.

But it's curious how Jakob keeps coming up in trade ideas and potentially rumours. He switched agents so I wonder whether we're projecting his game being beyond want we want to pay given his O limitations which are pretty much set for his career. Love his character fit and D game and the little Pop-a-shot, but I can see us moving him for the right player/picks package. Goal is to always raise both the floor and ceiling while maintaining financial flexibility.

G R E Y wrote:But it's curious how Jakob keeps coming up in trade ideas and potentially rumours. He switched agents so I wonder whether we've projecting his game being beyond want we want to pay given his O limitations which are pretty much set for his career. Love his character fit and D game and the little Pop-a-shot, but I can see us moving him for the right player/picks package. Goal is to always raise both the floor and ceiling while maintaining financial flexibility.

I think its basically laziness by writers. Because Toronto fans pushed hard during the season for us to just give Poeltl back to them for nothing, I think many people who dont know anything about the Spurs just assumed that we were done with him.

Grey knows just as well as I do that the Spurs don't test float rumors around about players. Other teams do that. No one has any idea what we are doing with Poeltl or any inside information. Possibly his new agent is doing it.

G R E Y wrote:And a couple of trade ideas:

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I see the idea, though not in love with either given that Wood is an expiring and a headcase, and Duren is a more athletic Jakob in that he's a traditional C - no 3s, better than Jakob but still not great FTs.

Depends on what we do with our cap in the off-season.

I dont like the Duren trade at all but the guy says its dependent upon if we got Ayton or Bamba. The 13th pick is going to be another G-leaguer that we dont need so why would we give up our starting C for that?

Now I have always liked Wood a lot. He is a good scorer inside and out. But I would want him next to Poeltl, not instead of him. Losing Collins and Langford would be more than worth it and #20 is going to be another G-leaguer anyway.

I don't think Wood is a headache really. Look at the teams he's played for. He has had no structure or accountability since he's been in the league with those **** franchises

imagump1313 wrote:

G R E Y wrote:And a couple of trade ideas:

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I see the idea, though not in love with either given that Wood is an expiring and a headcase, and Duren is a more athletic Jakob in that he's a traditional C - no 3s, better than Jakob but still not great FTs.

Depends on what we do with our cap in the off-season.

I dont like the Duren trade at all but the guy says its dependent upon if we got Ayton or Bamba. The 13th pick is going to be another G-leaguer that we dont need so why would we give up our starting C for that?

Now I have always liked Wood a lot. He is a good scorer inside and out. But I would want him next to Poeltl, not instead of him. Losing Collins and Langford would be more than worth it and #20 is going to be another G-leaguer anyway.

I don't think Wood is a headache really. Look at the teams he's played for. He has had no structure or accountability since he's been in the league with those **** franchises

Agree about the teams Wood's been on but he's had character issues that also caused him to bounce around. To his credit he put enough together to keep himself in the league. If we really wanted him I don't think he's bad enough to not absorb into our culture. And agree about playing him next to Jakob or whichever C (ie/ if we were to land Ayton. I don't want Bamba - so super soft. I was so wrong about him. Just done with finesse players who play smaller than their considerable size). The other thing is that's a steep price for an expiring player, too.

G R E Y wrote:Agree about the teams Wood's been on but he's had character issues that also caused him to bounce around. To his credit he put enough together to keep himself in the league. If we really wanted him I don't think he's bad enough to not absorb into our culture. And agree about playing him next to Jakob or whichever C (ie/ if we were to land Ayton. I don't want Bamba - so super soft. I was so wrong about him. Just done with finesse players who play smaller than their considerable size). The other thing is that's a steep price for an expiring player, too.

I have no interest in Bamba either. IMO there are plenty of kids in the draft that would give us just as much as Bamba would and thats not saying much.

imagump1313 wrote:

G R E Y wrote:And a couple of trade ideas:

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I see the idea, though not in love with either given that Wood is an expiring and a headcase, and Duren is a more athletic Jakob in that he's a traditional C - no 3s, better than Jakob but still not great FTs.

Depends on what we do with our cap in the off-season.

I dont like the Duren trade at all but the guy says its dependent upon if we got Ayton or Bamba. The 13th pick is going to be another G-leaguer that we dont need so why would we give up our starting C for that?

Now I have always liked Wood a lot. He is a good scorer inside and out. But I would want him next to Poeltl, not instead of him. Losing Collins and Langford would be more than worth it and #20 is going to be another G-leaguer anyway.

I don't think Wood is a headache really. Look at the teams he's played for. He has had no structure or accountability since he's been in the league with those **** franchises

It is quite possible that with 13 pick Spurs will want to take Mark Williams and not Jalen Duren
"I was recently told by a Western Conference scout that a few rival teams believe that Mark Williams would be the pick at nine if the Spurs go with a big — even over other bigs like Duren, Sochan and Eason. And that’s not the first time I heard something along those lines."
https://www.spurstalk.com/mock-draft-1-0-who-will-the-spurs-draft-in-the-2022-nba-draft/

Per RealGM wiretap:

Pistons, Pacers, Spurs Interested In Collin Sexton

What?!