What are we not going to do....but should do?

Blame Rasho · Post #1 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:05 am

You know that we aren't going to trade anyone at the deadline but any ideas to get our team in gear and set for the playoffs?

Get the loud mouth rookie Noah or energy guy like Thomas from Chicago. I don't know how...

We aren't going to use our 1st round pick and 2nds and it might be lower than usual so that might be one of our assets along with Elson.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #2 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:14 am

that would be great, getting either one of those guys..

I do think we need to make a move though..we are at the same point we were last year, which is good considering how the year ended, but we're obviously older and more hurt than last year..

let's just analyze what we have..

the big 3 isn't going anywhere of course..but I do believe Parker needs to step it up..his injury might be bothering him, but he needs to make better decisions with the ball..

Jaque Vaughn..I like how he's playing, and I don't think it's necessary to trade him, or get a different PG..

Finley..he's been playing better, but I'd rather get an upgrade..a younger player that can defend..if we could have landed Pietrus, that would have been a nice addition..

Barry- I don't have a problem with him as a backup swingman..still one of the best 3-poin shooters in the NBA..

Udoka- he's been playing better..his D has been solid..he just needs to make his shots with more consistency..

Oberto/Elson- they just don't seem to be playing as good as I remember them playing last year..I wouldn't mind trading either one for an upgrade..

Bonner/Horry- I don't mind either being on the team..I'd like to see Bonner continue improving his D and rebounding, but I like him on the team..

so for me, I'd get some kind of deal involving either Oberto, Elson or Finley, getting some young pieces..a big man to compliment Duncan on both sides, and/or an athletic shooter that plays D and hits the 3..

Blame Rasho · Post #3 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:25 am

Here is my stupid trade that Bulls fans would hate but I would love. It has like .0001% chance of happening.

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.8 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and -0.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Ime Udoka
6-5 SG / SF from Portland State
4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.7 minutes
Francisco Elson
7-0 PF / C from California
4.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Thabo Sefolosha
6-5 SG from Switzerland (Foreign)
3.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.1 minutes
Joakim Noah
6-11 PF from Florida
4.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.8 minutes

Chicago also gets our 1st rounder, our 2nd rounder from Toronto, and next year our 2nd round pick from Houston.

Chicago gets rid of a guy who is writing checks he can't cash with the entire Bulls roster. They get a pick which might help them move up incase they don't win the lotto. They need a legit shooting guard or point guard. They can get that with Rose or Majo. I would be ok with giving them Ian as well.

In this trade you get a big who can compliment Duncan on D but no on O, you get a good defender but can shoot the ocean if he was on a boat.

UDRIH14 · Post #4 » by **UDRIH14** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:55 am

why do we need noah, when we got splitter and maybe mahinmi

sanikidze looks like a lock to be here next season imo....i got high hopes for him....bowen replacement

Ballings7 · Post #5 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:08 am

Elson was hurt and just came back recently... he was playing fine before that, from what I remember. I also still like him for his athleticism and size, which is unique on this team. He was hitting that jumper regularily before, too. I expect him to be playing better soon. Oberto's been consistent, I've thought.

Overall I've been fine with both of them.

Obviously injuries have shook things up to an extnt, along with still building the team up to the 2nd half of the season. I'm confident about the road trip coming up, to go at least 6-3.

I expect the guys to step it up by late Feb./March, into the playoffs.

I also doubt the Bulls are trading above-average/good young prospects to us for low-level draft picks and 1-2 older role-players. If anything at all, we'd be a last resort for them. I think they'd rather keep them in that case, too. I wouldn't mind Joe Smith or Ben Wallace, though. Both being more realistic. That would open up spots for their younger bigs to play, which they're going to need eventually, and probably should do that this season.

As far as making a move? Well, I'd lean to no.

Blame Rasho · Post #6 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:09 am

UDRIH14 wrote:why do we need noah, when we got splitter and maybe mahinmi

sanikidze looks like a lock to be here next season imo....i got high hopes for him....bowen replacement

Well... Splitter isn't here and Ian is too green.

Oh and lets not get high hopes on a guy who isn't even on a roster overseas.

Post #7 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:05 am

If the Spurs are going to make a move. I could suggest an upgrade at the SG position. Probably Finley and see what he draws back. I still think the Spurs could use an upgrade at the center position for the obvious reason that both Oberto and Elson aren't getting any younger inspite of the both of them are playing well into their roles with the team.

johnnyjohnnyjohnny · Post #8 » by **johnnyjohnnyjohnny** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:51 pm

It's funny to see Tyrus Thomas referred to as an 'energy guy' when lack of energy is exactly the reason his playing time has declined so much in Chicago.

What we need to do is start drafting guys who can play now, and developing them in the NBA system. I can't remember the last time we drafted a player who actually adorned a Spurs jersey in the year that he was drafted. Scola was the one guy we had a lot of hope for, in the end we traded him for 'nothing'.

I don't think we need to make any stellar or blockbuster moves, but we do need the league will outgrow this team if we don't make grow with it.

It's the same way I felt going into the season last year, though I was happy to eat my words at seasons end. Hopefully the same thing will happen this year, though I doubt it.

mudyez · Post #9 » by **mudyez** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:23 pm

cant see the spurs doing a trade, but i really like the idea of the elson+udoka+picks for noah+thabo (even while I like ime, I like thabo more)

could see us making a move for pietrus, but as I asid, I cant see us doing anything in midseason and after that, it may be to late

Magz50 · Post #10 » by **Magz50** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:31 pm

I dunno guys, i think we're getting close to kneejerkers which has never been the Spurs way. Sure we've had a few losses that we expected to win but really we are truly battered right now. Parker's play has been hampered by a bone spur in his heel which is very painful. Manu's finger is still wrapped up and TD is still a bit stiff. Not to mention Barry and Elson still a bit ginger from injuries. At least we have our full teasm back. If we were going to add someone i agree about getting another shooting guard that can hit the shot consistently. That's been our weak spot so far. When Parker and Manu aren't hitting shots we struggle bigtime to score baskets. We had the grit with Ime, Oberto, Vaughn etc but now we need more of a offensive threat. Barry showed last night what we've been missing by hitting 2 big three's down the streth. If it wasn't for a couple of blatant bad calls by the refs we would of won the game. So lets not knee jerk too badly. We are still the champs.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #11 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:45 pm

I don't think anybody is suggesting a major trade..just a minor one..

UDRIH14 · Post #12 » by **UDRIH14** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:14 pm

trade for okafor thank you

Blame Rasho · Post #13 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:47 pm

johnnyjohnnyjohnny wrote:It's funny to see Tyrus Thomas referred to as an 'energy guy' when lack of energy is exactly the reason his playing time has declined so much in Chicago.

What we need to do is start drafting guys who can play now, and developing them in the NBA system. I can't remember the last time we drafted a player who actually adorned a Spurs jersey in the year that he was drafted. Scola was the one guy we had a lot of hope for, in the end we traded him for 'nothing'.

I don't think we need to make any stellar or blockbuster moves, but we do need the league will outgrow this team if we don't make grow with it.

It's the same way I felt going into the season last year, though I was happy to eat my words at seasons end. Hopefully the same thing will happen this year, though I doubt it.

I don't know what is wrong with Chicago... they could shoot like there is no tommorrow last year and now they can't buy a bucket. I think their problem is due to the fact that they have no real shooting guard or point guards. It would help if they had a post scorer but I don't think that energy is lacking. It is more due to the fact that when your shot doesn't go down everything else just falls apart.

pad300 · Post #14 » by **pad300** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:51 pm

As far as knee jerk reactions go, consider this thread:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

I'm not sure if we could make the trade work (as suggested in post #2), but Odom would be a HUGE upgrade on big men after TD...I'm not to sure about Vlad-Rad...

The Key Pieces would be Barry (expiring, $5,544,370), Horry (expiring, 3,630,000), Elson (expiring, $3,000,000)...

Ballings7 · Post #15 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:54 pm

I think that'd be a bit too much change. I also can't see the Lakers doing that.

And Radmanovic has turned it around this year. Gotten more familiar with the triangle, and has been healthy. Or was.

mudeyez wrote:but i really like the idea of the elson+udoka+picks for noah+thabo (even while I like ime, I like thabo more)

Sure, but that's not that realistic from a Bulls stand-point. They're not trading two of their 1st round picks of the last two years, for that package. The value just isn't there enough for Chicago.

jjj wrote:What we need to do is start drafting guys who can play now, and developing them in the NBA system. I can't remember the last time we drafted a player who actually adorned a Spurs jersey in the year that he was drafted. Scola was the one guy we had a lot of hope for, in the end we traded him for 'nothing'.

I don't mind drafting guys and having them over-seas, but I would like us to have a guy for once that's in the US all the time, around the organization directly. Also relates to one of the ways in getting an athletic young swingman.

a-rod · Post #16 » by **a-rod** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:25 pm

don't panic guys cause sometimes best moves are the ones you don't make.

LyMinh · Post #17 » by **LyMinh** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:29 pm

No Florida players on the Spurs please

Ballings7 · Post #18 » by **Ballings7** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:53 am

One trade I'd be all for is getting Jeff Foster. I think he'd be a good fit here. Excellent rebounder, good defender, hustles, good finisher, moves the ball well. Has good size, and is very mobile. Good guy, and would fit into Pop's way of playing guys.

Lacking a jumpshot, though. But, there's enough jumpshooting on this team already, and could use more of the kind of play that Foster brings.

I just love the guy and what he does on a nightly basis. Not sure if he could be had from Indiana, being one of their most valuable and consistent players, and a fan favorite. But they're also getting closer and closer to rebuilding, especially with JO going down again for a little while.

I'd still be fine with what we have, too, though. Some better health and rhythm is needed for certain guys.

UDRIH14 · Post #19 » by **UDRIH14** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:56 pm

i say we pull a trade with the bulls

thats if they dont plan on resignin there current young core and going over the salary cap.....if they plan to resign deng and gordon...

maybe we cal go after the scrubs on there team

Donald Kaufman · Post #20 » by **Donald Kaufman** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:59 am

I recall last season at one point we were 33-18. I was all for trading Gino and/or TP to get some help (temporary insanity). Obviously we know how it all turned out in the end.

It's January. If we're still playing like this in April, then I'll push the hell out of the panic button.

We're only two games out of the top seed in the West, which we've proven we don't need to be a success in the playoffs.