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Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:23 am**

Hey guys, Nets/Mavericks/Jayhawks fan here.

First of all, let me say that I have a high amount of respect for my fellow Jayhawk, and your GM R.C. Buford. He has balanced the financial and personnel aspects of the Spurs organization masterfully, and has put the pieces in place for San Antonio to continue to be successful for a long time.

Secondly, I KNOW we are only, what, 10 days into the summer league, so making assertions of a rookie's ability at this stage is hardly an ironclad blueprint for a player's career.

But OH MY GOD! I pay pretty close attention to summer league stats every year, and I cannot recall a guard having a worse time in this setting, ESPECIALLY not a 1st round draft pick.

Through his first George Hill is averaging 8%FG and 17%3PT, with a underwhelming 1:1 AST:TO ratio and 4 fouls per game. And it's not like Hill is getting inconsistent minutes or anything; he leads the Spurs' SL team with almost 32mpg.

Meanwhile, Mario Chalmers is looking like a huge 2nd-round sleeper. He made 2nd-team at the Orlando Summer league, and a few scouts said he played the best of all the guards there.

Knowing what you know now, would you redo the draft and select the guy who hit one of the biggest shots in all of college basketball, right in the Alamodome? Or would you still stick with Hill?

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:07 am**

We could of selected a lot of guys over Hill who were more known, but the Spurs went with Hill and they really liked him a lot, to pick him over several good prospects. He's who they wanted after Batum.

I'm over the surprise of picking Hill, and have warmed up to the pick well after reading more about him (and soon seeing how his SL goes).

Hill or Chalmers? I know Chalmers because I'm a JayHawk guy as well, but it is not fair for me to compare yet because I have to see and gain more familarity with Hill. Especially since it's still pretty limited material.

With Hill's SL so far - it's just summer league either way, and regardless I think he's going to be a player based off what I've read internally and externally.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:46 am**

Too early to tell.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:32 am**

I'm not trying to start a firestorm, but seriously, what 1st-rounder do you remember stinking it up THIS badly in the SLE? I mean, this isn't exactly supreme competition he's facing.

In most cases, I would agree that it's too early to tell. But unless he's hiding some injury or something, 3 putrid summer league outings in a row is a red flag.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:10 am**

the problem with hill is his shooting and ability to finish around the rim right now. hes showing good things on defense, and his ball handling is coming along. you have to remember that hes making the transition from sg to pg as we speak.

i dont know if this is going to breach some kind of inter-forum etiquette, but heres a post from one of the "other" spurs boards that sums things up pretty well:

timvp wrote:-George Hill has seemingly struggled more and more as this summer league has gone on, however he’s not struggling in the predicted manner. Hill was touted as a scoring shooting guard who needs to learn how to play point guard. So far in summer league, I’ve been impressed by his point guard skills. He’s a good ballhandler, he’s very unselfish, he doesn’t force the issue and he does a good job of running set plays. The problem with this supposed scoring shooting guard is he can’t score. Off the dribble, he hasn’t shown any ability to shoot a midrange jumper. When he gets to the rim, he doesn’t explode toward the rim. Instead, he slowly tries to find cracks that don’t exist against this level of competition. Open jumpers for him have been few and far between, but he hasn’t been able to hit those either. Hill is currently 2-for-26 in the three summer league games and most of his 24 misses haven’t been that close. Obviously, I’m not ready to give up on him but his lack of scoring ability is both surprising and worrisome. Hopefully he can figure it in the remaining games and at least show something to build on going into training camp. The good news is that his defense looks very solid. Against Nate Robinson, the reigning Vegas summer league MVP, Hill held Robinson to eight points on 2-for-10 shooting. Hill also grabbed six more rebounds and now has 21 rebounds in three games. While Hill isn’t playing as well as Spurs fans hoped he would, his defense is strong and his point guard skills are adequate. Now if he can just show an ability to score . . .

again, its still just summer league. if we arent going to laud extraordinary play, im not going to call out egregious play either.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:30 am**

hes fine. solid D ,good rebounder, good passer (if you watch the games this is evident, but his teammates miss open shots), but his shot is way off. hopefully he bounces back soon so we can put out this panic.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:49 am**

I know I'm supposed to be supportive of my organization, and I know my co-posters are tired of me bashing our team.

But, yes. During the draft, I felt that Hill over *many people* was a mistake, and I continue to feel that way.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:35 pm**

Well so far Hill is more dissapointing than I thought.

Ok he does a good job defensively. I'll give him that. But so far the guy hasn't prove to be able to score. Hell, this is only the summer league and he can't score here? He's still turnover prone.

I mean, the FO wants him to be Tony's backup? come on.. at this point Vaughn is a far superior defender. he's not turnover prone. No way Hill can beat Vaughn for the backup spot this year.

I'd rather have Marcus Williams or Darius Washington over George Hill right now.

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:26 am**

I cant believe he and some others were picked over guys like CDR though. Chris Douglas Roberts. He is going to prove a lot of people that passing him up was a terrible mistake...

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:05 am**

Well I'm a K-State fan living in OKC so I've seen and heard alot about Chalmers. I think he is a pretty good player. Solid defender so he would have fit here. We could use a guy that can score and create. I'm not saying Chalmers cant do that, but after hearing what everybody has said about Hill's ability to score we kind of need that. Of course, he didnt necessarily light it up in summer league and Chalmers did so that raises a good question. I think it's way too early to decide and you really cant go by summer league play, although not playing well doesnt help the matter.

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:49 pm**

hill just had a breakout game. 21 points. his shot is still of but his finishing ability around the rim was really displayed in this game.

Posted: **Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:05 pm**

hills line from his last game:

18 pts (7-14 FG, 2-5 3PT), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 3 TO

but again, its summer league. nothing he does here means much.

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:26 pm**

SL isn't really a good reflection of a player but you really don't want to see your players sucking. He had some crapful shooting games.

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