Early trades ..good for Sonics puts preasure playoff teams

sonic-ben · Post #1 » by **sonic-ben** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:49 pm

Will Sam do any trades?

OzSonic · Post #2 » by **OzSonic** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:57 pm

He bloody well better!!!

D5150 · Post #3 » by **D5150** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:59 pm

OzSonic · Post #4 » by **OzSonic** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 12:38 am

D5150 wrote:why?

Why? Surely you can't be serious in asking that question? You think this team should stay the way it is, let key players expire and hold onto bloated contracts?

Kurt Thomas is the main one, I'd like to get a small piece for him before he expires, he has no business here in the last month of the season. Recall Sene and start Swift if he evers comes back and throw more minutes into Petro.

One of the Points should be moved as well Ridnour, Watson, West I really don't care. Losing one of Watson or Ridnour should also be a top priority.

nwsports253 · Post #5 » by **nwsports253** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 12:51 am

sonic-ben wrote:Will Sam do any trades?

Probably, with the Lakers getting Gasol, I could see the other top teams in the West coming to us to try and get some of our guys.

Post #6 » by **Sweezo** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:01 am

^^ Agree. Thomas has that "tough vet/good presence" down low stigma. Some team might look at the Lakers acquisition of Gasol and feel they made to make a mid-priced move to give them something to counter Gasol. Or maybe I'm horribly overthinking things.

sonichound16 · Post #7 » by **sonichound16** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:20 am

Right when I heard about the trade I was thinking it will put some pressure on the playoff teams to bolster their lineups (after I wondered how one team could get fleeced so horribly). I really thought that the Lakers were the ideal spot for Thomas to land though. Teams are going to need another big to match up with the Lakers once Bynum gets back. A front line of Odom, Gasol and Bynum is pretty formidable.

Det the Threat · Post #8 » by **Det the Threat** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:43 am

I really believe that those early deals will help us trading or, like you've said, pressure other teams.

Gasol has benn called the major player who's holding everything(trade wise) back. Now that he's gone the other teams can start wheeling and dealing and try to react to what the Lakers just pulled off.

And like Sweezo said, the other contenders out west know now, that there's another major player(Lakers) out there and that they might have to do something, to counter that move. Seeing that Thomas is no financial burden(cause he's an expiring) and still playing really well should help the qualitiy of offers Presti will get for him.

All in all i think we'll hear quite some rumors from now on till the deadline and i really hope Presti can do something to help rebuild our team.

OzThunder · Post #9 » by **OzThunder** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:09 am

it seems like with memphis trading away gasol we make good trading partners. they need a quality PF/C which we have alot of, and they have alot of young quality point guards (lowry, conley, navarro, crittenton)
lets do a deal

nwsports253 · Post #10 » by **nwsports253** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:06 am

They just got Kwame and Collins I dont think theyre gonna try to go get another big. They arent trying to win this year. Plus they have the rights to Marc Gasol now, who knows what type of player hes going to turn into.

D5150 · Post #11 » by **D5150** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:32 pm

i dont want to see the team make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. the team has no bloated contracts as someone sugested, and the point of having expiring contracts, is to let them expire. i still believe the sonics should stay on course and go into the summer of 09 with wally and wheezy comeing off the books. that is when they could make a splash in free agency. now, if a trade comes along that makes sense for the team in the long term and adresses specific needs, then fine. but this team is not going to dramatically improve this year no matter what. the problems cant all be fixed at once. wally and kurt certainly have value, and probably would like to play for a contender. however, the veteran influence they have on this team is also very valuble. i also really wonder just how much the sonics could get back for some of their players. the grizz just gave away gasol for cap relief, two late first rounders and a young combo guard. seattle already has all of that. so what could seattle realistically get in return for thomas or watson or whomever? sometimes the best trades are the ones you dont make.

djthesonicsfan · Post #12 » by **djthesonicsfan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:56 pm

I think there's a lot of truth to what D5150's saying. At this point, looking at each contending team, teams that may take on a needed player in exchange for expirings & picks/prospects, there's not many that need what the Sonics have to offer.

I had the Lakers as the most likely landing spot for Kurt Thomas. That's obviously not going to happen. I'm sure Utah & Toronto would like Kurt Thomas on their team, but they don't have the expirings we'd want in return. That leaves Orlando as the only plausible spot for Kurt Thomas.

Atlanta would be better off with a PG upgrade, but they seem incapable of pulling the trigger. It appears Orlando also may need a PG. Denver & Cleveland definately need a PG. And they all have expirings which would make a deal work. So trading away E Watson or L Ridnour is still possible, but those three teams would prefer to get M Bibby or A Miller. So I expect a PG trade will take up to the deadline, if it happens at all.

Miami, IMO, has to trade their $20M in expiring contracts for real players or languish in NBA pugatory for the next 2 1/2 years until Shaq's contract comes off the books. I just don't see a crappy Heat team as an option that keeps D Wade in Miami. On the other hand I think the only expendable Sonics Miami would give up their exceptions for are W Szczerbiak & D West. Which gets back to D5150's point of why make sideways trades? The Sonics should be able to get more than expirings for those two. Especially next year.

On the other hand trading E Watson and L Ridnour for contracts ending after next season would give the Sonics another $13M in free agent firepower for for 2009/10. I so much hope this happens.

HeavyP · Post #13 » by **HeavyP** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:36 pm

I think we should trade our expiring for a deal that expires next year + a pick if possible.

OzSonic · Post #14 » by **OzSonic** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:53 pm

D5150 wrote:i dont want to see the team make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. the team has no bloated contracts as someone sugested, and the point of having expiring contracts, is to let them expire. .

That was me, I do have a name you know :roll:

Yes they do have bloated contracts Wally is the big one, Ridnour and Watson are also to big for their role on the team and shedding those especially one of the PG's would be a great move IMO.

Well we could let Thomas expire. It probably wouldn't hurt but it would just seem like a waste when Thomas has a lot of value on the market, a package of younger players or some draft picks is what I would be after. We have almost 0 chance of landing a big FA until the team security is settled it was pretty tough attracting them anyway so just letting the guys expire may not be such a great option.

D5150 · Post #15 » by **D5150** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:21 pm

i know who you are ozsonic, i just didn't want it to seem like i was calling you out. i dont consider wallys contract bloated. i consider marburys contract bloated, and ed curry, and zach randolph, and shaq etc...
yeah, for what they produce, watson and rid are not exactly worth what they are paid, but still, not exactly cap killers. and i agree thomas has value. but how much? have you really looked at what memphis got for gasol? seattle is in a strange position as relates to their assets. on the one hand they have desireable commodities. but on the other hand, what is the percieved value among other teams? and what is the true value seattle can expect in return? draft pick? got em. expireings? got em. young prospects? got em. we need to let this play out a little.
and your point about free agents is right on. thats why we need to let the posibility of the team moving work itself out. a year from now things will be much more clear.

OzSonic · Post #16 » by **OzSonic** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:33 pm

The difference is Memphis was desperate to unload we on the other hand are not. As a few have suggested in this thread Thomas becomes more valauble (hopefully he does

) now because of this trade suddenly a few teams in the West need another big to help out so this trade the Grizzlies made may work in our favour.

I'd settle for a TE and a pick or worst case scenario a buyout because I just want Thomas gone so we can give minutes to guys that need it. It's nothing against the guy I've been a KT fan for years now but it doesn't help this team future having him play 30 - 35 minutes a night when we have our young prospects sitting on the pine or in the D-League.

Post #17 » by **Sweezo** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 11:01 pm

HeavyP wrote:I think we should trade our expiring for a deal that expires next year + a pick if possible.

Agreed. I'm not one to follow the "something's better than nothing" logic when it comes to trades, but it makes sense to me to move Thomas for a pick if we can do so without taking on a substantial contractual commitment.

pr0wler · Post #18 » by **pr0wler** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 11:29 pm

How bout like...

Kurt Thomas to Detroit for:

Primoz Brezec (expiring)
Flip Murray (expiring)
Lindsey Hunter (expiring)
1st Round Draft Pick 2008

I think most Detroit fans would jump at that deal as Kurt Thomas can really help them in the playoff run. In return we basically get expiring garbage and a 1st rounder. Even if we can't get any young prospects out of it we should AT LEAST be able to add another 1st rounder some way.

And even if we don't trade Kurt Thomas for anybody I'd be fine to get a TE and a 1st rounder in return. Bottom line is we must trade Kurt Thomas for something because 1) we need court time for Sene and Swift and 2) someone will offer us a draft pick in return.

D5150 · Post #19 » by **D5150** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 11:31 pm

just wondering, how many more draft picks do the sonics need in the next few years?

OzSonic · Post #20 » by **OzSonic** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 11:48 pm

pr0wler wrote:How bout like...

Kurt Thomas to Detroit for:

Primoz Brezec (expiring)
Flip Murray (expiring)
Lindsey Hunter (expiring)
1st Round Draft Pick 2008

I think most Detroit fans would jump at that deal as Kurt Thomas can really help them in the playoff run. In return we basically get expiring garbage and a 1st rounder. Even if we can't get any young prospects out of it we should AT LEAST be able to add another 1st rounder some way.

No, I think they will pass on it. Lindsay Hunter is like a coach there now.

pr0wler wrote:And even if we don't trade Kurt Thomas for anybody I'd be fine to get a TE and a 1st rounder in return. Bottom line is we must trade Kurt Thomas for something because 1) we need court time for Sene and Swift and 2) someone will offer us a draft pick in return.

I agree on that one a TE would suit me fine and as I said earlier a buyout as a worst case scenario but I think we will find a trading partner for KT. But don't forget Petro he has been really good lately and with some regular solid minutes we'll be able to see what he is like.

D5150 wrote:just wondering, how many more draft picks do the sonics need in the next few years?

A lot!

They can always be on traded to someone else if needed but I know what your talking about we are really starting to get a few of them now. There will always be a team wanting a 1st Round Pick.