Did we lose on the Allen deal?

[AbdicatedReign]

Green and Durant look like they should be playing the same position (which was the criticism of the pick at the time) and we have a huge hole at SG. Meanwhile, Durant seems to be taking backward steps in his development as fatigue sets in from the rigors of carrying a franchise on skinny, 19 year-old shoulders. Glen Davis and Carl Landry (the two 2nd rounders we traded) have both been productive players that exhibit an interior toughness and grit that this current squad is sorely lacking. I know it's still early to be evaluating rookies but, from what we know now, did we come out ahead on this deal, or would it have been better to stand pat with Allen? (assuming the Lewis deal still happens)

[BBen]

It kind of frustrated me just to read this thread. Just the idea that we could tell at this point whether the ROOKIE we traded for is going to pan out is a wrong one. Green was a top 5 pick and was slated as such for a reason. His rookie year was not that reason.

I saw another thread on the draft board from a different Sonics fan saying that the 2007 draft was one of the most overrated drafts of all times (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=747832). Dude, put your **** back in your pants and wait. I can't tell you how off-base it is to judge anything about a player before his third season.

[wiff]

Lets get back to this at the end of the 2009/2010 season.

[Ex-hippie]

Glen Davis and Carl Landry (the two 2nd rounders we traded) have both been productive players that exhibit an interior toughness and grit that this current squad is sorely lacking.

This is a very minor point, but the Landry trade was separate. And yes, we did lose on that trade. It's always a losing proposition to trade away a pick at the top of the current second round, to a quality team, for a future second-rounder.

[AbdicatedReign]

It kind of frustrated me just to read this thread. Just the idea that we could tell at this point whether the ROOKIE we traded for is going to pan out is a wrong one. Green was a top 5 pick and was slated as such for a reason. His rookie year was not that reason.

I saw another thread on the draft board from a different Sonics fan saying that the 2007 draft was one of the most overrated drafts of all times (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=747832). Dude, put your **** back in your pants and wait. I can't tell you how off-base it is to judge anything about a player before his third season.

Thanks for the heads-up, I did indeed forget to tuck my phallus in my corduroys. I guess you didn't read the thread since I had a caveat that it was very early to evaluate rookies. I'm just interested in people's opinions/thoughts. Is that so heinous a crime?

And are we barred from extrapolating what we know so far into future projections? Obviously we don't know as much now as we will in three years, but we know more than we did on draft night. We've seen Green and Durant play together for half a season. We've seen Durant struggle to adjust so quickly to being the franchise player. I'm only wondering if the RealGM Sonic fans think, after watching him play 51 games, that Durant would be better off with help in the form of a veteran presence to ease his transition or with a young running mate to grow up with. And which they think better suits the franchise. Jordan struggled with a team of vets before Pippen and Jackson came along. The Sonics have chosen to go a different route, trying to get their Pippen and Jordan at the same time. Do you think that's wise? I feel these are valid inquiries.

I'm not asking what we know (perhaps the thread title was misleading), but rather what we think. And if it's too early to think then, well, wake me up when it's time, I suppose.

[Sweezo]

Did we also lose by trading away the one player on the roster with any possible clout and who had no trouble voicing his displeasure with situations he did not care for, such as a possible move to another location?

[D5150]

yeah, maybe. but what could he have done? the powers that be have already decided on a course of action. he is, after all, just a paid employee.

[Sockin'Foes]

AbdReign's been called out for making predictions on RealGM.

[AbdicatedReign]

Did we also lose by trading away the one player on the roster with any possible clout and who had no trouble voicing his displeasure with situations he did not care for, such as a possible move to another location?

A great point. Allen has always been very outspoken and critical of issues he felt warranted attention in the media. I do miss that very much. The current crop of players seem to be competing in a vacuum.

yeah, maybe. but what could he have done? the powers that be have already decided on a course of action. he is, after all, just a paid employee.

Go down swinging, at least. Have you noticed Calabro during the broadcasts? He's always waxing poetical about the crowd, how there's great numbers and they're supporting their team. He goes out of his way to talk about the love there is for the Sonics in this city. It's called pride. Not going quietly into the good night. No one on this roster has any real ties to this city or this franchise, save Calabro.

AbdReign's been called out for making predictions on RealGM.

I know, right. I didn't know that was against the rules

[D5150]

ok, but allen had no real ties to the city or the franchise. he really would not have had a dog in the fight. at the end of the day the players work for the league. as long as the checks don't bounce i don't think the majority care one way or the other. that being said, allen is a stand up guy not affraid to speak his mind. but really a stand on his part one way or the other probably wouldn't have done much good.

[AbdicatedReign]

ok, but allen had no real ties to the city or the franchise. he really would not have had a dog in the fight. at the end of the day the players work for the league. as long as the checks don't bounce i don't think the majority care one way or the other. that being said, allen is a stand up guy not affraid to speak his mind. but really a stand on his part one way or the other probably wouldn't have done much good.

True but, Allen really did identify with this city. He made a few comments about having a connection here after being the face of the franchise and a perennial representative at All-Star games and such. Him and Rashard were pretty much synonymous with Seattle, especially in comparison to who is on the team now.

[D5150]

oh i wont argue with any of that to be sure. i just wonder what a player, even one like allen, could have done.

[Monkeyfeng06]

opinion from a jazz fan:

why did you guys draft two SF in the same draft? i'm sure i'm not the only guy asking this question... you can say jeff green and kevin durant can play PF or SG too but they really can't... kevin durant is too skinny to play PF and he doesn't have the quickness or shooting percentage/selection to play SG. jeff green? he has some nice skills but he's purely an SF player. i think he's perfect for the SF position. he can do anything. however, i think sonics are stuck with two great players that plays the same position...

now, i won't bother mentioning the name yi jianlian cause it's a taboo over here to mention his name. come to think of it, if seattle had yi, you guys will have two skinny players that essentially play the same kind of ball game.

i think sonics should have kept ray allen. it's obvious now that kevin durant needs a mentor like ray allen whom can teach him how to play pro basketball. ray allen is the best shooter in the game and probably a great teacher as well. no one in the sonics right now and mentor durant. (wally??? i don't see it..)

[yearsago]

Can we at least give Green a year..maybe 2? Before we determine if we have lost on the trade?

[OzThunder]

[quote="Monkeyfeng06"]opinion from a jazz fan:

now, i won't bother mentioning the name yi jianlian cause it's a taboo over here to mention his name. come to think of it, if seattle had yi, you guys will have two skinny players that essentially play the same kind of ball game. [quote]

as a seattle fan and a bogut supporter, i've seen nearly every seattle game this season and atleast 20 bucks games. I think you might need to sit down in front of a tv a bit longer before saying these guys have any where near a similar style of game. But thats kind of off topic any way.

Maybe making the trade was the wrong move as we end up spending alot of money on boston players anyway, and the team would be pretty good with ray, but i think kevins game has developed at a pretty amazing rate and would even go as far as saying that people that say he's struggling are way off the mark. (it's funny how a 40% field goal can be thought of as one of the worst chuckers in the league when there are about 15 of the top 50 PPG scorers around the same) I think with ray you'd see kevin struggling with confidence, putting up worst shots (as he would be getting less touches) and that could harm him pretty badly.

And lastly while i disagreed with the pick of a second SF over a number of quality big men, we definately have to give it time. Green was always touted as a very good player and so was Yi, and while it seemed strange to pick green, i definately couldn't judge whether we'd lost or won yet.

[Monkeyfeng06]

I think you might need to sit down in front of a tv a bit longer before saying these guys have any where near a similar style of game. But thats kind of off topic any way.

well, they are both tall, skinny players that don't post up well and shoots jumpers and three. i don't know, maybe they are very different because i haven't seen yi play that much but somehow i think they play in a similar style.

[Monkeyfeng06]

speak of the devil! i saw jeff green at sea-tac today. lol. i think i was the only guy that recognized him.