OT: Hawks @ Celtics Game 7

Yoshi2kx · Post #1 » by **Yoshi2kx** » Sun May 4, 2008 5:13 pm

Yeah.. never saw this coming..

The Hawks look really good and hungry at home, will they be able to pull off an even bigger upset than last year with the GS/DAL series?

jenn_gp · Post #2 » by **jenn_gp** » Sun May 4, 2008 6:04 pm

The only reason why I'm the slightest bit interested in this game is because of Ray. I'll admit, this is the only series I've been watching simply because I want Ray to win a championship.

The Hawks have looked damn good. Not so sure they can pull off the upset in Boston though. It's going to be tough.

Other than that, I've been boycotting the playoffs.

BenjaminH · Post #3 » by **BenjaminH** » Sun May 4, 2008 7:42 pm

Whatever would one boycott the playoffs for? Do you not enjoy watching basketball?

jenn_gp · Post #4 » by **jenn_gp** » Mon May 5, 2008 1:08 pm

Uh, hello? There's this little thing of a court case that's going on with keeping our team here after David Stern sold all us fans out by conspiring with Clay Bennett to move the team. I am just having a hard time supporting a league that doesn't support me as a fan. Especially since the relocation vote and the press conference in which Stern told lie after lie.

Plus that and I haven't been able to stomach watching other playoff matchups because I know this team and us fans may never get that experience of being in the playoffs again. Which is sad and is hard to stomach.

BenjaminH · Post #5 » by **BenjaminH** » Mon May 5, 2008 4:57 pm

I don't follow. I am not criticizing your boycott, I just don't understand it. So, is the idea that if you do not watch the playoffs, then the league will feel pressure to keep the Sonics in Seattle?

I think I understand your emotional reasons a little bit better, i.e., watching other teams in the playoffs will make you miss watching the Sonics in the playoffs.

But why do you watch basketball in the first place? I would just think that you would find watching basketball games enjoyable, especially in the playoffs because the level of competition is much higher. In any case, it is probably much more enjoyable than watching the many of our regular season games. Indeed, I suspect that is part of the reason why you watched the exciting first round BOS/ATL series.

jenn_gp · Post #6 » by **jenn_gp** » Tue May 6, 2008 1:07 pm

^The ban is purely emotional.

I don't understand why you're taking so much time questioning this. What point are you trying to prove? Would it make you happy if I decided to watch just about every playoff game as I have for the past 14 years?
It's not like I'm the only Sonics fan whose boycotting the playoffs over our situation. I think that may be part of the reason why no one has posted in here.

Some people are just fed up with the league and Stern right now.

Pistol Pete Vescey · Post #7 » by **Pistol Pete Vescey** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:30 pm

jenn_gp wrote:
Some people are just fed up with the league and Stern right now.

cosign. there are plenty of other ways to spend my time and money than on the nba.

wiff · Post #8 » by **wiff** » Tue May 6, 2008 2:37 pm

BenjaminH wrote:I don't follow. I am not criticizing your boycott, I just don't understand it. So, is the idea that if you do not watch the playoffs, then the league will feel pressure to keep the Sonics in Seattle?

I think I understand your emotional reasons a little bit better, i.e., watching other teams in the playoffs will make you miss watching the Sonics in the playoffs.

But why do you watch basketball in the first place? I would just think that you would find watching basketball games enjoyable, especially in the playoffs because the level of competition is much higher. In any case, it is probably much more enjoyable than watching the many of our regular season games. Indeed, I suspect that is part of the reason why you watched the exciting first round BOS/ATL series.

Benji are you really this dense? Sometimes I wonder if you are trying to bait people into a debate or if you simply can't grasp the written word?

BenjaminH · Post #9 » by **BenjaminH** » Tue May 6, 2008 6:05 pm

I am not trying to make any point by questioning your boycott, as I mentioned, Jenn, I just don't understand why. (Please do not take my questions with an adversarial stance.) Thank you for your explanation.

Wiff, I may not have mastered the written word, but I think I grasp it fairly well. There was no ambiguity in Jenn's language. Her words were clear, but one of her reasons was not. No, I sincerely do not follow the idea of a boycott. This is the first time I've ever heard a Seattle fan speak of one. Perhaps it is the case that I just did not realize that some Seattle fans decided to boycott the playoffs. Is Jenn the only one you know of?

Also, could you please explain to me how I am dense, Wiff? I am asking you earnestly. Just please keep it respectful. I am confident that you can do it without insulting me.

Perhaps Jenn is right to boycott the league. As I said, Jenn, I think your emotional reason makes a lot of sense. But the way you put it, one of your reasons was emotional and another was not. I was asking what your other reason was.

(I, for one, really enjoy watching competitive basketball and cannot resist watching the playoffs. If only I had more time ... I've been able to watch a lot of games, but I've missed some of the best ones, e.g. Suns/Spurs game one and some of the better BOS/ATL games. I really, really wish I saw game that Suns/Spurs game. I had very high expectations for that series, but the later games were rather disappointing.)

Troy McClure · Post #10 » by **Troy McClure** » Tue May 6, 2008 7:24 pm

Do you talk the same way you type?

BenjaminH · Post #11 » by **BenjaminH** » Tue May 6, 2008 8:05 pm

Yes, Troy, but with one caveat. I make a lot more mistakes when I speak. This is because when I type I usually proofread at least once. (Though, I still make a lot of mistakes, I'm sure you've noticed, when I type.) By contrast, I am not very articulate when I speak. I will often correct myself, sometimes even mid sentence. Also, I include more clauses in my sentences when a speak, which is probably just symptomatic of the same thing. E.g. I will use later clauses to qualify what I just said.

Again, Jenn, I think your emotional reason makes a lot of sense. I sort of feel it as well, but perhaps I should feel guilty for not feeling it as strong as you do.

jenn_gp · Post #12 » by **jenn_gp** » Wed May 7, 2008 1:16 pm

Whatever...this is just weird.

Which one of my reasons didn't seem emotional?

Should I not feel emotional about the way the league has been treating us and our situation? When people conspire against you, do you not want to fight back? When people blantantly lie to you, how does that make you feel? Are you totally numb to feeling angry, frustrated, or sad? Those are emotions, and I think everyone has a right to feel emotional about what's going on. People deal with it the best way that they can...I am dealing with it by pretty much tuning out the playoffs. I am taking a break from supporting a league that hasn't been too great at supporting me as a fan lately.

The fact that you are trying to push some point or argument over whether or not my reasons to not watch the playoffs is turning a bit weird. It must be offseason boredom. I've never seen anyone argue over such a tiny detail before. It's kind of funny.

D5150 · Post #13 » by **D5150** » Wed May 7, 2008 1:30 pm

its actually not very funny............

but I get were you are comming from jenn.

btw:

the hawks/celts series was one that i also wanted to watch. and i did watch it, until kg, pierce, zaza, and horford all started acting like punks. thats when i stoped watching. and unless the weather is really crappy or i am just bored out of my skull, i doubt i will watch another game this year. i am actually a little suprised at how down i am on the league right now. i ALWAYS watched playoff basketball, i loved the 40 games in 40 nights on TNT. but now..................

Ex-hippie · Post #14 » by **Ex-hippie** » Wed May 7, 2008 2:16 pm

Put me down on the side of the boycotters. Also put me down as not being interested in discussing Benjamin's writing style. He am what he am.

BenjaminH · Post #15 » by **BenjaminH** » Wed May 7, 2008 5:58 pm

So, I guess there are at least two Seattle fans boycotting the playoffs now that Ex-hippie has chimed in. Perhaps Jenn's decision is not as novel as I thought it was.

In any case, Jenn, again, I am not trying to push any point. I do not understand why you think I am. Your emotional reasons make perfect sense, so I am afraid that I don't follow you. We may just be talking past one another, creating a disagreement when none exists. This, I think, is because you've responded to me with an adversarial stance. You think that I am trying to make some point when I am not.

D5150, I got to see one or two of the really good games between BOS/ATL. Game 6, for example, was excellent. But what I wish I saw were some of the ATL wins early on in the series. Obviously, I don't mind that I missed game 7. From the box score, it looked like a boring game.

I think I must have missed the game where you claim these players looked like "punks". I saw the little Pierce/Horford altercation at the end of one of the games on sportscenter. Is that what you're referring to? It didn't seem like a big deal, but I probably failed to appreciate it.

On a slightly tangential note, I think that KG often acts like a "punk" as you say. If you watch him carefully, he really has a potty-mouth, which I do not appreciate at all. Whenever he blocks a shot he used to shout 'get that expletive (fecal term) out of here'. Of course, we can appreciate his competitiveness and intensity, but that is pretty low-class and immature. There is no room for a potty-mouth on the basketball court. I read a story about Boston's pre-season. Ray Allen, apparently, told KG to watch his potty-mouth, which I think is awesome. Allen has always been a consummate professional, and I think his influence has really made the Celtics a professional team, which KG and Pierce alone couldn't do. Allen, really, I think is the perfect counterbalance to KG's personality. Of course, KG's personality is so strong that he often does run his potty-mouth even when Allen is on the court. I do not like the way he is always talking to his opponents, especially when it becomes derisive.

D5150, you should make an effort to catch some of the Hornets vs. Spurs series. That has been incredible. I was expecting the Spurs to play a lot better. Chris Paul is just so fun to watch, and every time the Hornets beat the Spurs it seems like an upset (even when it is not a close game). I probably won't watch any of the Eastern Conference games. But I will really try to watch the Hornets as long as they are in the playoffs.

The Lakers vs. Jazz series has the potential to be interesting, but I don't really see it yet.

But, again, I really, really wish I saw game one of the Suns vs. Spurs. Remember the year before last year? I think that was the best playoff season I've ever watched. Most series in the first two rounds went to six or seven. The favorite was never safe. And most of the games went to overtime. I think there were more overtime games in a first round that season than any other. That is what I really missed. Game one of the Suns vs. Spurs gave us hope for a similar kind of season. But, since that game, this year has been kind of disappointing. The Celtics vs. Hawks series is kind of an exception, as is the Hornets vs. Spurs. Otherwise, there isn't a lot to get excited about.

BenjaminH · Post #16 » by **BenjaminH** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:56 am

The Boston vs. Cleveland series was kind of interesting after you got used to the lack of scoring. At least most of the games were close. The New Orleans vs. San Antonio series started off really good, but kind of grew boring. Actually, most games were interesting until the third quarter, and then the fourth quarters were usually pretty boring (though Pargo almost brought them back in game seven). I think that Boston will win the Eastern Conference Finals and Los Angeles will win the Western Conference.