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Seattle Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Michael Beasley (#2 Overall Draft Pick)
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 22.3 minutes
Antoine Walker
6-9 PF from Kentucky
8.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Kevin Love ( #4 Overall Draft Pick)
#24 Overall Draft Pick
2010 First Round Draft Pick (Seattle-Top 5 Protected)
2010 First Round Draft Pick (Phoenix)
Chris Wilcox
6-10 PF from Maryland
13.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.0 minutes
Donyell Marshall
6-9 SF / PF from Connecticut
3.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.2 minutes
Adrian Griffin
6-5 SG / SF from Seton Hall
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10.1 minutes
Johan Petro
7-0 C from France (Foreign)
6.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.2 minutes

Miami Trade Breakdown


Incoming Players
O.J. Mayo (#3 Overall Draft Pick)
#24 Overall Draft Pick
2010 First Round Pick (Seattle) Top 5 Protected
Chris Wilcox
6-10 PF from Maryland
13.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.0 minutes
Adrian Griffin
6-5 SG / SF from Seton Hall
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Michael Beasley (#2 Overall Draft Pick)
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 22.3 minutes

Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Kevin Love (#4 Overall Draft Pick)
2010 First Round Draft Pick (Phoenix)
Donyell Marshall
6-9 SF / PF from Connecticut
3.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.2 minutes
Johan Petro
7-0 C from France (Foreign)
6.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
OJ Mayo (#3 Overall Draft Pick)
Antoine Walker
6-9 PF from Kentucky
8.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.4 minutes

4 first rounders for beasley? + wilcox and petro? i think that is too much to give up.

I'd say no. So essentially we're giving up our #4, Chris Wilcox, Johan Petro, our #24 pick, our 2010 first AND Phoenix's 2010 first (lottery pick most likely) for Michael Beasley? C'mon...

no deal from seattle.
seattle gives up far too much for beasley.
wilcox,petro and two 1st's.
wilcox can be packaged with 24 or 32 to move in the lottery or can be dealt like thomas at trade deadline to playoff team.
petro is developing nicely as a good backup center.
our own 1st next year is a guaranteed lottery pick.
phoenix are old and can only go down so 2010 1st is worth keeping.

Im sure presti would be able to get a far better deal.
portland and chicago in 2006 draft dealt 2nd and 4th picks for way way less.khrapa
I would be happy to take beasley using any of the 24 pick,any of the 2nd rd picks,wilcox ,watson,ridnour and maybe spurs 2009 1st if possible.just no kd,j green,collison,petro or any our own future firsts involved.

Get Real! :noway

I'm on record as saying do whatever it takes to get Beasley, and I do agree with sonictecture that it would take alot from the Sonics side, but I don't feel that so many first round picks needs to be included.

But I will say this. Think about the 2010 draft, which is three drafts away, counting this years. By then we already will have the franchise players in place with Durant, Beasley(with this trade proposal), and Green. My guess is that both center and pointguard will be looked after by then as well since there will be the 2009 draft where Seattle has two more first round picks. Plus the cap space will be alot so Presti can get a free agent center or pointguard if that's the desired direction.

Either way, by the 2010 draft there should already be plenty of pieces in place so that they don't need to rely on that draft year to turn around the team(at least I hope not).

I think that Presti should do everything he can to get Beasley, even if it means mortgaging future draft picks. I'll take the known potential allstar now rather than wait and see what 2010 brings.

I actually want to see Ridnour traded this draft( I like the Malik Rose deal, especially since D'antonio might like Ridnour's style) and the #24 pick might yield his replacement in Mario Chalmers to backup Watson. But I also don't mind giving up the #24 pick this year if it meant saving a first round pick in the future, and the Sonics could draft George Hill with the first of their second round picks.

Whichever way you slice it, getting someone with the potential of Michael Beasley, a dominating inside scoring and rebounding machine that is the absolute perfect compliment to Kevin Durant is worth almost any amount.

Downtown I understand your reasons to aquire the best player in this draft but Beasley is not Greg Oden or Dwight howard ( a quality defensive big). Two current seattle starters and 4 1sts is far too much for a player that could at worst be another Derrick Coleman.That aint bad but theres no guarantees .what current starter could we get for wilcox,watson and 4 1sts .lakers aquired gasol for far far less. IF beasley is avaliable im sure presti will do it for far less to.

well if were giving up wilcox,watson and 4 1st round picks why dont we just try to get oden or rose

wilcox/watson/marshall/4th/24th and future two 1sts for no1 pick derrick rose,tyrus thomas and larry hughes
or
wilcox/watson/4th/24th and future two 1sts foe greg oden/m webster and c frye

very doubt they would do it but at least your adding a potential franchise center or franchise pg not a similar player to durrant.

This deal is very complex, and that alone makes it not likely on draft day.

MN does not get value for this. I have said numerous times here. In order for Mn to trade down they need

-draft pick that will bring love (as you did)
-young starter (which you did not do)
Future draft picks are nice, but this trade if very bad from a wolves perspective. Also, we lose a large ending contract (walker)

revprodeji wrote:This deal is very complex, and that alone makes it not likely on draft day.

MN does not get value for this. I have said numerous times here. In order for Mn to trade down they need

-draft pick that will bring love (as you did)
-young starter (which you did not do)
Future draft picks are nice, but this trade if very bad from a wolves perspective. Also, we lose a large ending contract (walker)

The trade is not that complex in my view, but the realgm information format does make it look complex.

I did not take your requirements into mind when I developed the scenario, but I do think that the compensation offered is fair if Love is a desired prospect by Minnesota. In Lieu of a young starter you do get a young center/forward prospect and a future draft pick. Walker's expiring contract is matched in Marshall & Petro.

If Minnesota does nothing they will choose betweeen Mayo and Love. In this scenario they get Love, a future first round pick, a young prospect and they are rid of their most disgruntled player without taking on more salary.

i agree with downtown / sonictecture and would do this trade for the sonics. michael beasley's skills would compliment kevin durant's very well; as for all his potential nba faults, it is almost certain that he will be a better rebounder / inside scorer than durant. this kind of "inside/outside" combination in the frontcourt is routinely sought after in the nba and almost always overpaid for (see LEWIS, RASHARD).

FWIW, not one team last season had two 20ppg scorers in the frontcourt. dallas was the closest with josh howard at 19.9ppg. if the sonics acquire beasley somehow, it's likely him and durant would immediately succeed in that aspect.

No problems sonictecture. The trade just will not work with what Minnesota gets.

Walker as an expiring contract is worthless by giving us the ending contract of Marshall. There is no point in MN doing it.

Petro is hardly a rotation player, let alone the young starter MN would want. Beasley is waaaay more of a prospect than Love. If Beasley is on the board and you guys want him then it might not be crazy for MN to ask for Green+Love=Beasley.

Technically in this scenario, Minnesota isn't trading Beasley, Miami is. Minnesota trades Mayo for Love and extra compensation.

The point of trading Walker is that Minnesota removes a clearly disgruntled player from it's young roster. Although Minnesota saves about a million dollars immediately in the deal it is essentially a chemistry move without Minnesota taking on more salary or longer years.

Petro was a rotation player for Seattle last season and he could be one for Minnesota. His skills actually compliment Al Jefferson.

If Minnesota gets greedy, then I would cut them from the deal and look to deal with Miami directly by offering the additional compensation given to Minnesota back to Miami.

We could care less if he is disgrunted. He was a perfect soldier last year and as an ending contract has more value than to just exchange for another ending contract.

I like Petro. But the decision is not mine, I just do not see him being the "starter" that MN thinks. I would like Petro in our rotation. He is a lil soft, but he has talent.

You cannot cut MN out of the situation because we would take the beasley/mayo player (or trade them to another random team) thus wrecking the trade scenario.

If Walker has value to Minnesota as an expiring contract to other teams, then so does Marshall and Petro. Minnesota loses nothing here. You're more than welcome to keep Walker if you like.

Minnesota can be easily removed from the equation.......if Miami is willing to accept Jerryd Bayless alongside Wade rather than Mayo and if the compensation package for stepping down from 2 to 4 is viewed as adequate. Minnesota can take Mayo or Love or Bayless or whomever else they want. I think Bayless would compliment Wade very well, but then I'm not Pat Riley.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. The Sonics are going to get a potentially great player at #4. Either Mayo or Bayless. I don't see any reason to give up so many valuable assets to get a different potentially great player.

I see that Tecture is very high on Beasely. I am very curious to see why Tecture feel Beasely is worth that much. I just don't see Beasely having potential to be a top 10-20 player in the league because he doesn't play defense nor does have the length and size to. If Beasely is all that great, WHY IS IT that the BULLS are sold on Rose when their biggest need is a low post scorer? Why is Miami even looking at Mayo? I'm sorry but I would rather have Bayless than Beasely.

As a Bulls fan, the reason that the Bulls are so sold on Rose is because Paxson is silly and hypervalues 'character.' Rose is quiet and business-like, Beasley is kind of a loud (possibly immature) guy.

If you look at the Bulls now, no one has much personality, at least no one Paxson has drafted. I agree that a serious approach is good, but Paxson is taking this too far and, what's more, he's simplified it to: introverted = serious, extroverted = trouble.

So if you want to know why all signs point to Rose for the Bulls, keep in mind that skill has little to do with their decision making.