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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors 

Post#61 » by Patman » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:50 pm

MEDIC wrote:Derozan continues to improve.

Jonas will improve significantly 2 years from now.

Rudy has always put up borderline allstar numbers.

We have more players to draft & more trades to make. Where would Indy be without Hibbert, George & West? None of these guys were top 5 picks. George was the only lottery pick & he went 10th.

Like Masai said.......we have to draft well no matter what pick we have.......1st, 3rd, 10th, 15th, 25th....


He's right. Too bad we haven't.

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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors 

Post#62 » by Neutral 123 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:39 pm

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Some people see Memphis/ Indiana potential in this team. A defensive oriented team that has a solid starting core with no real superstar.

Other people want nothing to do with that. They want to drat the next superstar.

Indiana and Memphis have several all stars. The Raptors have NO STARS at all. Hell, the Raptors have no one better than Hibbert, Paul or even a healthy Granger! Furthermore, a team like Indiana never really got that bad, but they still rebuilt through the draft. They managed to do well with lower picks, but they did EXACTLY what the Raps need to do.

They got rid of their vets lol, to the Raps, for draft picks. This roster is what it is. We aren't talking about a bunch of inexperienced players with the potential for a ton of upside. There's absolutely no reason to believe that this 30 something win team is going to make a huge jump into becoming a mid 55s win team and an actual threat to do anything in the playoffs. Right now, they aren't even projected to make the playoffs at all.


Derozan continues to improve.

Jonas will improve significantly 2 years from now.

Rudy has always put up borderline allstar numbers.

We have more players to draft & more trades to make. Where would Indy be without Hibbert, George & West? None of these guys were top 5 picks. George was the only lottery pick & he went 10th.

Like Masai said.......we have to draft well no matter what pick we have.......1st, 3rd, 10th, 15th, 25th....

They wouldn't have had Hibbert had they not decided that it was time to move on and start anew. Derozan will improve to become what? Gay is what he is. How good will Val be? Again, no all stars, and as of now, no real evidence that even Val will be that sort of player. That is not a core that is going to win you a championship. It's not even a core that will get you in the playoffs. Get what you can for these guys and build through the draft, This team isn't just a tweak or two away. It needs stars and has absolutely none.It may not be a Lebron type, but they don't even have a Gasol, Hibbert, Paul level star either.
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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors 

Post#63 » by Neutral 123 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:41 pm

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MEDIC wrote:Derozan continues to improve.

Jonas will improve significantly 2 years from now.

Rudy has always put up borderline allstar numbers.

We have more players to draft & more trades to make. Where would Indy be without Hibbert, George & West? None of these guys were top 5 picks. George was the only lottery pick & he went 10th.

Like Masai said.......we have to draft well no matter what pick we have.......1st, 3rd, 10th, 15th, 25th....


He's right. Too bad we haven't.

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Yep, and it's consistent with a flawed mindset. When you falsely believe you already have a great core, and you draft on need, and draft guys who you think can fill a role and help sooner rather than later, you end up passing on a stud like Drummond. It's a losing strategy. But it seems the Raps will have to miss the playoffs for 20 years straight for some of these guys to understand that.
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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors 

Post#64 » by Patman » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:55 pm

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MEDIC wrote:Derozan continues to improve.

Jonas will improve significantly 2 years from now.

Rudy has always put up borderline allstar numbers.

We have more players to draft & more trades to make. Where would Indy be without Hibbert, George & West? None of these guys were top 5 picks. George was the only lottery pick & he went 10th.

Like Masai said.......we have to draft well no matter what pick we have.......1st, 3rd, 10th, 15th, 25th....


He's right. Too bad we haven't.

Yep, and it's consistent with a flawed mindset. When you falsely believe you already have a great core, and you draft on need, and draft guys who you think can fill a role and help sooner rather than later, you end up passing on a stud like Drummond. It's a losing strategy. But it seems the Raps will have to miss the playoffs for 20 years straight for some of these guys to understand that.


Exactly. Accumulating assets comes first. We've rarely accumulated assets. We've usually tried to "build a team" right away. Accumulating assets takes patience, but if done right, it pays huge dividends.

If OKC didn't stupidly trade Harden, they would have 3 of the Top 5 players in the league (as per ESPN rank). I'll concede that Harden might not have blown up in OKC like he did in HOU, but the potential was there. Dumb moves in the future does not mean that they screwed up by tanking. They went BPA all three years and it worked.
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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors? 

Post#65 » by WuTang_OG » Sat Jun 3, 2023 12:05 am

yes he can

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Post#66 » by navyblue » Sat Jun 3, 2023 12:10 am

TL was the greatest hire by Mlse.
The guy believed in Toronto than us locals. He even planned a parade route right after getting a job and was mocked for saying he had parade route planned out.
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Post#67 » by tecumseh18 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 12:32 am

navyblue wrote:TL was the greatest hire by Mlse.
The guy believed in Toronto than us locals. He even planned a parade route right after getting a job and was mocked for saying he had parade route planned out.


So Tim's to blame for that five hour s-show? He should have made sure the city had more crowd railing.

Don't forget TFC playing in the finals three years in a row. That ... wasn't where the franchise was headed when he arrived.
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Post#68 » by navyblue » Sat Jun 3, 2023 12:36 am

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navyblue wrote:TL was the greatest hire by Mlse.
The guy believed in Toronto than us locals. He even planned a parade route right after getting a job and was mocked for saying he had parade route planned out.


So Tim's to blame for that five hour s-show? He should have made sure the city had more crowd railing.

Don't forget TFC playing in the finals three years in a row. That ... wasn't where the franchise was headed when he arrived.

He planned route, he was long long gone before the logistics of parade were thought through. We don't even know if the route is the one he thought of.

Yeah tim bizmechiaek (what ever his name was) was inspired hiring from mls head office for the tfc.
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Post#69 » by xAIRNESSx » Sat Jun 3, 2023 1:29 am

Leiweke gets way too much credit.
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Post#70 » by mrdressup » Sat Jun 3, 2023 1:42 am

They owe it all to Kyle Lowry.
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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors? 

Post#71 » by Reeko » Sat Jun 3, 2023 2:06 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:Leiweke gets way too much credit.

Honestly, not enough in my opinion. He changed the trajectory of 3 sports franchises here. He's a visionary and it gutted me to see him go so early into his tenure after clearly having had a massive impact on the sports landscape of Toronto.
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Post#72 » by Brinbe » Sat Jun 3, 2023 2:22 am

you'd have to seriously not remember how dire things were here in terms of toronto sports for anyone to think timmy L somehow gets too much credit for things. barely anyone not tapped into those sorts of things even know who he is.

you can see now that even his exec touch is wearing out and what's left @ MLSE now. they're returning to a culture of corporate mediocrity and I don't think it's a total coincidence that three of their franchises are in disarray now. and the argos barely count.
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Re: Globe and Mail: Can Tim Leiweke save the Toronto Raptors? 

Post#73 » by xAIRNESSx » Sat Jun 3, 2023 2:50 am

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xAIRNESSx wrote:Leiweke gets way too much credit.

Honestly, not enough in my opinion. He changed the trajectory of 3 sports franchises here. He's a visionary and it gutted me to see him go so early into his tenure after clearly having had a massive impact on the sports landscape of Toronto.


He was here for 2 and a half years and left in October 2015. Sure, he hired some good people and got some monetary commitments from the board but If we don't win the championship in 2019, no one would ever talk about Leiweke.
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Post#74 » by Shaazzam » Sat Jun 3, 2023 3:28 am

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Post#75 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Jun 3, 2023 3:35 am

Leiweke had us hire all the top people, it was night and day. He helped set us up to win as a franchise.
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Post#76 » by C_Money » Sat Jun 3, 2023 3:43 am

Remember when Richard Peddie had the job? Worst time ever in Toronto sports.
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Post#77 » by xAIRNESSx » Sat Jun 3, 2023 4:29 am

A lot of things had to go right for us to win in 2019, most importantly being Kawhi wanting out of San Antonio. We could've easily not won so it's just a convenient narrative to attribute much of the championship to Leiweke.

I can give him credit for the 'winning culture', but without a championship, most people would call the Leafs and Raptors treadmill teams.

And are we deeming the Leafs some sort of success under Shanahan? What's the sentiment from this board on Masai these days?
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Post#78 » by SharoneWright » Sat Jun 3, 2023 4:32 am

Reeko wrote:
xAIRNESSx wrote:Leiweke gets way too much credit.

Honestly, not enough in my opinion.


Major bonus points if he could have managed his wife.
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Post#79 » by C_Money » Sat Jun 3, 2023 4:34 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:A lot of things had to go right for us to win in 2019, most importantly being Kawhi wanting out of San Antonio. We could've easily not won so it's just a convenient narrative to attribute much of the championship to Leiweke.

I can give him credit for the 'winning culture', but without a championship, most people would call the Leafs and Raptors treadmill teams.

And are we deeming the Leafs some sort of success under Shanahan? What's the sentiment from this board on Masai these days?


Even without the Championship that was by far our best time in franchise history. Maybe you have forgotten how bad it used to be.
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Post#80 » by xAIRNESSx » Sat Jun 3, 2023 4:43 am

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xAIRNESSx wrote:A lot of things had to go right for us to win in 2019, most importantly being Kawhi wanting out of San Antonio. We could've easily not won so it's just a convenient narrative to attribute much of the championship to Leiweke.

I can give him credit for the 'winning culture', but without a championship, most people would call the Leafs and Raptors treadmill teams.

And are we deeming the Leafs some sort of success under Shanahan? What's the sentiment from this board on Masai these days?


Even without the Championship that was by far our best time in franchise history. Maybe you have forgotten how bad it used to be.


I enjoyed the winning seasons, the majority of this board didn't seem to unless we were serious championship contenders. Without the championship this era wouldn't have been remembered fondly by most here.
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