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Brinbe wrote:Gotta keep working on that 3 PT shot. If he can shoot he's got a career. He's made progress but not good enough yet.
Gotta get up to around 35% at least.
DreamTeam09 wrote:my favorite player
Wise80 wrote:Hackett wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Also, Powell sucked for awhile. He showed flashes, yeah, but it took him four years to learn how to stop rifling layups off the glass and to be a consistent shooter with a half decent handle.
Banton has instincts that you can’t really teach. That alone gives him a chance. I think he is an NBA player but he needs more development and actual game reps. In fact, one might argue that he needs confidence in the same way Norm needed confidence at the beginning stages of his career.
What? Are we watching two differing timelines? Powell consistently made the right pass and shot in game, so much so that Raptors would go on positive runs with his substitution. He was the perfect example of a player turning his on floor time into an overwhelming actions speak louder than words resume as to why he deserved to stay with the team and get more minutes. Even when the whole team was bricking it, Powell was al?Iways the guy you could count on for some positivity, and taking it to the rim when guys were shooting too many jumpers... and I am not speaking about his D which was solid from the get go.
this, "it took him 4 years to not suck" is one of the most flagrant falsehoods I have seen posted on this forum. What time dimension are you from? This is so blatantly wrong.
The guy was getting solid playoff minutes from year one on. He definitely didn't suck.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
WaltFrazier wrote:In 21-22 every time he went to 905 he dominated those games, drove through teams like a man among boys. This year in 905 he didn't seem as dominant. Just my impression.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
Boogie! wrote:Wise80 wrote:Hackett wrote:
What? Are we watching two differing timelines? Powell consistently made the right pass and shot in game, so much so that Raptors would go on positive runs with his substitution. He was the perfect example of a player turning his on floor time into an overwhelming actions speak louder than words resume as to why he deserved to stay with the team and get more minutes. Even when the whole team was bricking it, Powell was al?Iways the guy you could count on for some positivity, and taking it to the rim when guys were shooting too many jumpers... and I am not speaking about his D which was solid from the get go.
this, "it took him 4 years to not suck" is one of the most flagrant falsehoods I have seen posted on this forum. What time dimension are you from? This is so blatantly wrong.
The guy was getting solid playoff minutes from year one on. He definitely didn't suck.
He also dominated the summer league off the bat everyone was getting hype over him. People were calling for him to he a starter in year 2. It's too bad they chose to develop demsr over him, his skillset was so much better than demars. He actually had a first step and explosiveness off the dribble and could shoot the 3. It was always odd to me how for a guy who supposedly was in the gym 24/7 demar couldn't learn to ever shoot the 3 consistently meanwhile powell also a guy not known as a shooter is now hovering around 40% for his career.
OakleyDokely wrote:There were some positive signs from this past season. His FG% and 3PT% both went up from his rookie year (.411 to .423 FG / .255 to .294 3PT) and his FT% went way up (.591 to .708). He's still a big disrupter defensively averaging 1.7 blocks and 1.7 steals per 36.
He needs to get to the point where he can knockdown open 3s consistently, otherwise he's a hard fit off the ball in the halfcourt. If he can hit open 3s at a decent clip, he has rotation player potential.
Ujiri drew a parallel between Banton’s situation and Pascal Siakam’s, emphasizing that evaluating a player’s development requires time. Ujiri had positive remarks about Banton, recognizing him as an exceptional young talent. However, he also acknowledged that Banton hadn’t fully translated his potential into consistent success on the court. Ujiri specifically mentioned Banton’s strengths as a cutter, offensive rebounder, and passer, but pointed out the need for improvement in his shooting and decision-making.
The context of the team plays into the (lack of) development from the young Raptors this season. Especially the sophomore. Toronto struggled with pace and spacing, the two key factors for Banton to showcase his skills. Despite being proficient defensively, Banton made mistakes on the gritty side of the floor and the Raptors’ defense wasn’t strong enough to compensate for Banton’s errors. In the end, that’s why he didn’t get a large enough share of the minutes.
Alongside his defense, Shooting was a significant weakness for Banton. Although he made some improvements to his shooting form, his field goal accuracy remained below average. This inconsistency hindered his contributions to the team, especially considering the existing spacing issues the Raptors faced. Banton also needed to work on his ball handling, which affected his effectiveness as a point guard. Banton was exclusively a rim scorer, and struggled to be efficacious from deep. According to Cleaning the Glass, Banton finished 78 percent of his rim efforts — the 100th percentile for his position. In comparison, he was in the 1st percentile for midrange shots.
All the weaknesses mentioned gave him limited opportunities and minutes throughout the season. Injuries further disrupted his rhythm and playing time. He had to divide his time between the Raptors and their G League affiliate, the Raptors 905, which posed a challenge in finding consistency. Despite these hurdles, Banton handled the situation professionally and remained prepared to perform whenever called upon. Looking ahead, the Raptors are determined to reclaim their reputation for player development and bounce back from the disappointing season. They recognize the need for improvement, particularly in their bench production, and prioritize internal development. Banton, as a young player with potential, is eager to embrace the challenge. He showcased his skills during the summer, leading the Canadian senior men’s national team, and believes that experience helped him stay sharp and prepared for the NBA season.
To become a rotation player, Banton has to show a wider range of skills. He needs to be able to score consistently from outside of the rim. Teams can stop him by collapsing the paint. Until he proves he can be effective from other ranges, Banton probably will continue to not see the floor as much as he’d hope.
Banton is a restricted free agent for the summer, and I’d be surprised if he isn’t brought back. He has the attributes, it’s now about becoming a more polished player on both sides of the floor — and proving it with consistency during the season. A new coach may reward Banton with more game time, which would be a step in the right direction.
TRik wrote:I absolutely would watch/enjoy a ‘development’ season with him getting a ton of minutes at the point.
will wrote:TRik wrote:I absolutely would watch/enjoy a ‘development’ season with him getting a ton of minutes at the point.
That lineup with Dalano running the Point God, with Scottish at the 4, Koloko at the 5, ADOBE at the 3 and a top 5 pick at the 2 guard (oh what was supposed to be) would be fun.
TRik wrote:will wrote:TRik wrote:I absolutely would watch/enjoy a ‘development’ season with him getting a ton of minutes at the point.
That lineup with Dalano running the Point God, with Scottish at the 4, Koloko at the 5, ADOBE at the 3 and a top 5 pick at the 2 guard (oh what was supposed to be) would be fun.
Sure he makes young player mistakes, but damn if Banton isn’t exciting the watch.
TRik wrote:I absolutely would watch/enjoy a ‘development’ season with him getting a ton of minutes at the point.
WuTang_OG wrote:TRik wrote:I absolutely would watch/enjoy a ‘development’ season with him getting a ton of minutes at the point.
Imagine if he played 30 a game last season, I think we would be talking about a totally different player.
TRik wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:TRik wrote:I absolutely would watch/enjoy a ‘development’ season with him getting a ton of minutes at the point.
Imagine if he played 30 a game last season, I think we would be talking about a totally different player.
I love how we were all high and mighty as an organisation about about our league leading development program, and then all of the sudden we were like…..nah….eff that.
WuTang_OG wrote:TRik wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Imagine if he played 30 a game last season, I think we would be talking about a totally different player.
I love how we were all high and mighty as an organisation about about our league leading development program, and then all of the sudden we were like…..nah….eff that.
the secret sauce is consistent minutes .. such a hard concept