Who do you blame more between Darko and the front office?

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How much has 37 year old Garrett Temple played. How about 35 year old Thad Young? What about Otto Porter Jr.

This is why we have no bench depth. None of these guys need to be taking up cap space.

Not just capspace my guy close to 20 million in capspace! How can you justify having them take up 3 rosters spots never mind taking up that much capspace? It’s a complete failure of a front office and if we didn’t have Masai blinders on these guys would be getting raked over the coals.

Having tradeable contracts makes sense when trying to trade young guys who don't make enough money on their own. Unfortunately for us, our young guys like Gradey, Precious and Flynn are awful and have almost no value so adding Thad Young to that trade offer is doing nothing for you.

Not to mention that trade ballast is useful when YOU are the one sending out youth contracts for proven players, we are the team that needs those youth contracts and should be sending OUR proven players. Everything this FO has done for years has been utterly ass backwards.

[SurgeIblocka]

All this started when Masai put Bobby in charge

[Oakvillehoops]

FO are idiots.

Imagine if we had done:

Lowry for Maxey, and not gotten greedy needing some now irrelevant player Thybul included.

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FVV plus the first we traded for Poetl for Sengun, last year when Houston still thought Jalen Green was the building block.

Maxey / x / Barnes / x / Sengun???

That would be the nastiest young 3 man core in the league

[Oakvillehoops]

FO are idiots.

Imagine if we had done:

Lowry for Maxey, and not gotten greedy needing some now irrelevant player Thybul included.

+

FVV plus the first we traded for Poetl for Sengun, last year when Houston still thought Jalen Green was the building block.

Maxey / x / Barnes / x / Sengun???

That would be the nastiest young 3 man core in the league

I guess we’d still have Siakam to trade for Keegan Murray.

Maxey/Murray/OG/Barnes/Sengun = upcoming dynasty

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All this started when Masai put Bobby in charge

You were so close to getting it right.

[Jadoogar]

FO are idiots.

Imagine if we had done:

Lowry for Maxey, and not gotten greedy needing some now irrelevant player Thybul included.

+

FVV plus the first we traded for Poetl for Sengun, last year when Houston still thought Jalen Green was the building block.

Maxey / x / Barnes / x / Sengun???

That would be the nastiest young 3 man core in the league

Maxey was never on the table, we need to stop this rumour

Even if we had done the exact same trade we did (Dragic/Precious) at the deadline instead of the offseason, we would have been much better off. We could have declined his player option instead of being forced to trade him for Thad Young (one of the worst trades of the century).

[Oakvillehoops]

FO are idiots.

Imagine if we had done:

Lowry for Maxey, and not gotten greedy needing some now irrelevant player Thybul included.

+

FVV plus the first we traded for Poetl for Sengun, last year when Houston still thought Jalen Green was the building block.

Maxey / x / Barnes / x / Sengun???

That would be the nastiest young 3 man core in the league

Maxey was never on the table, we need to stop this rumour

Even if we had done the exact same trade we did (Dragic/Precious) at the deadline instead of the offseason, we would have been much better off. We could have declined his player option instead of being forced to trade him for Thad Young (one of the worst trades of the century).

Maxey was on the table. Thybul was hilariously supposed to be the big prize. No Rookie , non lottery pick is ever off the table for a team that’s all in

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It's a .500 team if you play the starters into the ground the way Nurse Thibodeau did. When you spread out the minutes equally and give the bench some run, this is the product you get. That's on the front office, not Darko.

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The roster is the FO obviously. But you're blind to how terrible Darko is as a coach. This roster last year after all-star break was ranked 10th in defense. We're now 20th. This is a roster with OG, Pascal, Poeltl, Barnes in the starting lineup none of whom are shyte in defense. That's CRIMINAL. You don't see the missed time outs to stop opponents runs, the lack of in-game adjustments, etc. We lost to the tanking JAZZ. AT HOME. After accumulating a big lead. And Jazz are trying to LOSE. If we gave Darko our championship roster, he'll have that team at 7th seed. That's how shyte he is.

I agree but before he’s replaced it’s more important for the health of the franchise to replace the person who hired him in the first place and put some one we can have confidence in, in place to make that decision. If Darko is a problem is because he’s a symptom of a bigger problem within the org decision making.

I agree. Darko is a reflection of Masai. That said, Masai might be a NN situation. Someone is going to snap him up.

[JAMMER7]

All this started when Masai put Bobby in charge

NO!!! It DIDN'T!
Another Masai apologist!
Masai is pulling the strings. Bobby is just his puppet.
You can see Ujiri's fingerprints all over the FO's nearly total mismanagement of this team.
Do you really still think that BW is still calling the shots, if he ever truly did?
If so, delusional.

[BBS22]

A first year rookie head coach versus a tenured front office with 1 championship?

It's such an obvious answer that the front office is to blame. While Masai Ujiri+Bobby aren't out there calling plays this roster construction isn't setup for any type serious consideration. You can get Prime Phil Jackson and Pops on the bench and might squeeze out 2 extra wins at most.

[XTC]

A first year rookie head coach versus a tenured front office with 1 championship?

It's such an obvious answer that the front office is to blame. While Masai Ujiri+Bobby aren't out there calling plays this roster construction isn't setup for any type serious consideration. You can get Prime Phil Jackson and Pops on the bench and might squeeze out 2 extra wins at most.

Now that Nurse is gone, who IMO was one of the best things to happen to our franchise, we can see how big of a fraud Masai really is.

Nurse was more pivotal to the 2019 championship than Masai. He's the best coach at making adjustments in the playoffs IMO. He was our Pop/Sloan/Spo/Stevens and we blamed him because he couldn't turn Malachi Flynn into Kyle Lowry, and Achiuwa into Bam Adebayo. You would never see a top tier organization let a coach like Nurse walk. Welcome back to the dark ages, I have no faith in Masai.

Thanks Masai!

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I voted front office, since I view Darko as a symptom of a larger front office problem.

That being said, I break the front office into two categories: championship (including pre-championship) and post-championship. Championship Masai and co. had drive and a level head when making moves. They didn't seem too particularly attached to their players and sought value when needed to improve the team. Hence the championship. Masai built the championship team and NN coached it.

Post-championship? I don't know what happened, but Masai and co. have really changed their outlook on building a team. They no longer seem to have that drive and passion to win. Maybe I am totally wrong, but they seem too timid now. To the point of watching key players leave without extracting any value--e.g., FVV and possibly OG and Siakim.

Putting on my tin foil hat, maybe Silver "gave" Toronto a championship in exchange for multiple years of mediocrity. Maybe MLSE instructed Masai to be mediocre. Not sure. All I know is Masai now isn't the same as Masai championship.

Anyway, front office needs to take the blame for the current team. Prime Popovich, Riley or Phil Jackson won't be able to turn this turd of a roster into anything more than a late play-in team.

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I voted front office, since I view Darko as a symptom of a larger front office problem.

That being said, I break the front office into two categories: championship (including pre-championship) and post-championship. Championship Masai and co. had drive and a level head when making moves. They didn't seem too particularly attached to their players and sought value when needed to improve the team. Hence the championship. Masai built the championship team and NN coached it.

Post-championship? I don't know what happened, but Masai and co. have really changed their outlook on building a team. They no longer seem to have that drive and passion to win. Maybe I am totally wrong, but they seem too timid now. To the point of watching key players leave without extracting any value--e.g., FVV and possibly OG and Siakim.

Putting on my tin foil hat, maybe Silver "gave" Toronto a championship in exchange for multiple years of mediocrity. Maybe MLSE instructed Masai to be mediocre. Not sure. All I know is Masai now isn't the same as Masai championship.

Anyway, front office needs to take the blame for the current team. Prime Popovich, Riley or Phil Jackson won't be able to turn this turd of a roster into anything more than a late play-in team.

Hanlon's razor my friend.

I am convinced that the FO has become emboldened by winning a chip, and started thinking they are smarter than everyone else, zigging when 29 other teams are zagging. Not realizing there is a reason why the other teams are zagging.

They kept thinking they were good enough to "build from the middle" and that everyone would be willing to play ball with them in the trade market, regardless of how frustrating they are to deal with. Seems like a big ole piece of humble pie is coming their way.

Masai has also publicly admitted he has not been as involved with the Raps as he was in the past, so whether that means giving Bobby more autonomy or him spending more of his time on the GoA stuff, the end result is the same. The attention to detail is gone, the smart moves are gone, the winning is gone.

Anyone blaming a rookie head coach 25-30 games into a season for this teams failures are just daft.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

All this started when Masai put Bobby in charge

NO!!! It DIDN'T!
Another Masai apologist!
Masai is pulling the strings. Bobby is just his puppet.
You can see Ujiri's fingerprints all over the FO's nearly total mismanagement of this team.
Do you really still think that BW is still calling the shots, if he ever truly did?
If so, delusional.

In my experience, a management structure needs to define scope for the different levels of leadership. Otherwise leaders below become disempowered because they don't have autonomy, and senior leaders take on a scope of duties that is too wide and unsustainable.

Bobby's position was created for a reason, as there is no reason to create a token GM role. Masai was given a wider scope beyond traditional GM duties, for wider organizational development, and national/international relationships.

My guess is that there has been a transitional period where Masai has maintained a cursory operational role while Bobby took on more and more of the GM operations piece. Bobby needs to find a path through these difficult times, or imagine he will move on from the GM role