How quickly can Barnes get out of here?

[Childs]

Right, as it says in your post, Knicks had been poorly run for several years (about 20 years) by that point which is why he wanted out. Also, from the Knicks perspective, Porzingis had been pretty injury prone up to that point in his career and was recovering from a torn ACL and was going to miss the whole following season (18/19), so you can understand their motivation to move him as well.

My point from the other examples is don't assume that once players sign max deals, that they are going to stay and not request trades. The Raptors have not been well run since 2020 going onto 4 years. And given the direction of this team right now, it may be going onto 5.

I understood your point, but your point used the Porzingis/Knicks situation as an example, and my point was that it's presumtuous as of today to compare that to Scottie/Raps situation, especially when you consider the Raps hand the 3rd best winning percentage over the past decade (as of today), and the Knicks have the 3rd worst.

Did I not use AD as an example? There are other ones, Paul George from Indiana, Carmelo Anthony on the Nuggets, Chris Paul from the Hornets.

[Raptors Realtor]

My point from the other examples is don't assume that once players sign max deals, that they are going to stay and not request trades. The Raptors have not been well run since 2020 going onto 4 years. And given the direction of this team right now, it may be going onto 5.

I understood your point, but your point used the Porzingis/Knicks situation as an example, and my point was that it's presumtuous as of today to compare that to Scottie/Raps situation, especially when you consider the Raps hand the 3rd best winning percentage over the past decade (as of today), and the Knicks have the 3rd worst.

Did I not use AD as an example?

I don't know, if you did I didn't see it... I only read your initial post on the first page, and your replies to my posts.

[Childs]

I understood your point, but your point used the Porzingis/Knicks situation as an example, and my point was that it's presumtuous as of today to compare that to Scottie/Raps situation, especially when you consider the Raps hand the 3rd best winning percentage over the past decade (as of today), and the Knicks have the 3rd worst.

Did I not use AD as an example?

I don't know, if you did I didn't see it... I only read your initial post on the first page, and your replies to my posts.

I did. There are other ones, Paul George from Indiana, Carmelo Anthony on the Nuggets, Chris Paul from the Hornets. Players unsatisfied with the directions of their teams, some of them under contract.

[And1Skip]

My point from the other examples is don't assume that once players sign max deals, that they are going to stay and not request trades. The Raptors have not been well run since 2020 going onto 4 years. And given the direction of this team right now, it may be going onto 5.

I understood your point, but your point used the Porzingis/Knicks situation as an example, and my point was that it's presumtuous as of today to compare that to Scottie/Raps situation, especially when you consider the Raps hand the 3rd best winning percentage over the past decade (as of today), and the Knicks have the 3rd worst.

Did I not use AD as an example?

AD is a good example, yet he was traded with 1 year remaining on his second contract and Pelicans got a really good haul for him from the Lakers. For us, lets just hope who ever is running the Raptors during Barnes 7th season (4 years from now) is not what Masai/Bobby are doing now with Pascal/OG (if Raps continue to be treadmilling by then)

[deck]

I think I am going to retire from this board. Such garbage like this thread continuously. I’m obviously too old for this place.

I started the thread and I am in my early 40s. If it is garbage go watch Matlock. The only good thing that makes me care about the Raptors is Barnes. If he bolts there is nothing to care about. No future. Nothing.

Incredible that you are 40+ but failed to understand what Zeno is commenting on. The post was commenting on the quality of the content on the board, not whether or not Barnes is important to the future of the franchise.

[Raptors Realtor]

Did I not use AD as an example?

I don't know, if you did I didn't see it... I only read your initial post on the first page, and your replies to my posts.

I did. There are other ones, Paul George from Indiana, Carmelo Anthony on the Nuggets, Chris Paul from the Hornets. Players unsatisfied with the directions of their teams, some of them under contract.

Ok, but there are many more examples of star players being loyal to the teams that drafted them, then ones who force their way out... Anyway, we're getting way ahead of ourselves here, although the FO has been complacent the past few years, we won a chip 4.5 years ago, so let's see what happens over the next few seasons before we worry about Scottie possibly forcing his way out.

[Purple+Black]

This is an asinine proposition, you’re implying that Barnes will want out of Toronto going off our recent performance. The number of rookies who go on to succeed for the same franchise they were drafted by after having developed during years of struggles is enough to show you that this is an premature question channeling an irrational fear.

To answer your question we have his rights and he will only turn RFA, the kid genuinely loves repping this team, we have him at least for 7 years - let’s wait and see what the franchise is able to do in that time and then ask this question.

I thought we were over this Toronto inferiority complex.

[Scase]

I think I am going to retire from this board. Such garbage like this thread continuously. I’m obviously too old for this place.

I started the thread and I am in my early 40s. If it is garbage go watch Matlock. The only good thing that makes me care about the Raptors is Barnes. If he bolts there is nothing to care about. No future. Nothing.

Incredible that you are 40+ but failed to understand what Zeno is commenting on. The post was commenting on the quality of the content on the board, not whether or not Barnes is important to the future of the franchise.

Then both you and Zeno missed the point of the OP. He wasn't asking how quickly Barnes can just leave, he was raising a concern about Scottie wanting to leave because of the sorry state of our FO management.

This is a team with 3 major UFAs, no pick, 7th worst record in the NBA, and a FO that thinks they are smarter than everyone else while failing over and over again.

The concern is that this team cannot and will not get its **** together, and we will lose Scottie the same way we lost Bosh. Bad management forcing out a great player.

[Chandan]

One of many reasons they should've started rebuild earlier.

This. The last two years feel like wasted time

It's difficult watching this team struggle knowing that we might not have our pick this year. Worse yet, if we do keep our pick, next years pick is jeopardy. It's just disastrous timing.

We need to be surrounding Scottie with young talent, and there are so many clouds lingering over this team at the moment

but you had the privilege of watching a Fred and Pascal core for 3 years.
Were you not entertained?

[Tacoma]

Generally, if I don't like a thread topic, I just ignore it rather than complain. Otherwise, let's try and participate.

Barnes, assuming he becomes a superstar, likely stays until he's eligible for the SuperMax. This means he must stay at least for 7 years total AND be league MVP for 1 of last 3 seasons or All-NBA/DPOY for 2 of the last 3 seasons before eligibility.

It's highly unlikely a player eligible for the SuperMax not take it. They want to get paid. This means if Barnes is at All-NBA level, the risk he demands a trade won't happen until at least 2029. Thereafter, he can demand a trade and still get paid.

That said, Barnes doesn't appear as one who would demand trades, but I understand the concern given the history of the Raptors.

[discconnected]

I don't know. Porzingis left NYC in 4 years cause it was a rotten franchise back then. He could do the same thing. And I wouldn't even be mad at him.

Porzingis was traded quickly by the Knicks right before his sexual assault claims became public.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/4/1/18290932/kristaps-porzingis-rape-allegation

[rapsincr]

can we lock up this stupid thread? plz and thanks.

scottie and the raps made the playoffs in his 1st year.
they missed the playoffs by 1 game last year(even though the team was mediocre)

they have realistically been really bad for 31 games, and now people are convincing themselves he wants out, when, to me, it looks like he loves it here.