Stein: “Masai works on his own clock”

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He said that so he has control over where we trade him.

I don't think Siakam being re-signed versus committing to re-sign makes a significant difference. The optimal time to trade him was 1-2 years ago when he still had years left on his current contract. Also, keep in mind that re-signing him to $50M AAV (or whatever his max is) makes matching salaries in a trade more difficult.

Not true, if Siakam extended this past offseason and ready for trade Jan 9, Siakam contract this year is still $37M for matching in trade. His $50M kicks in next year

And what if Siakam gets hurt badly, or what if Siakam lets off the pedal and plays terribly... and we just extended him to a massive deal. I can only imagine the posts in either case if something went wrong with this hypothetical scenario. I can also imagine even more complaining and more hypothetical scenarios if Ujiri extended Siakam, like "who is going to take that albatross contract".

Some people aren't ever going to give you any balanced discussion. And its always something. It is never really balanced agaisnt what it takes to retain players in the NBA. Or Toronto. Not sure why they won't, but I'll leave that to you to decide.

I'm not Masai, but I'm 100% sure Masai didn't extend Siakam not because Siakam would get injured this season. What you bring up is not Pascal specific reason, it applies for any player. Why would any gm sign any player a max contract if they fear the player gets injured

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So what is the point of even coming here if you don’t want to discuss things? Go to twitter or Reddit if you want an echo chamber

Because all you say is the same stuff over and over, just defending objectively bad moves. Everything is exaggerated, the team is fine, you guys overreact, the Jak trade isn't as bad as you say, blah blah blah.

Every single analyst and talking head continuously comments about the just clueless moves our FO makes, and how the team has no direction, but no no. It's all fine cause you think it's all good.

It's not a discussion with you, it's the online equivalent of a child plugging its ears.

I get that analysts say the FO are clueless but I would also counter that with , I highly doubt they aren't privy to the info being discussed no? These are talking points, imagery and rumours designed to lure us in. And we (me included) love that. But the Fo has shown time and time again, the media is more often than not clueless about what they have planned.

Just cos the analysts and us don't know what the plan is, maybe it doesn't mean that there isn't one

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Sure, but you can't argue with the on court product and the results. That's my point, you dont NEED analysts to say the jak trade was terrible, so long as you have functioning eyes a couple brain cells to rub together.

Zack Lowe is highly respected and knows more about ball than anyone on these forums by a factor of 100, I would take his years of experience and assessment of this team, over people who keep calling Siakam all NBA, or telling me that Precious just needs more time, etc.

Couple that with the fact that you can just watch the games and see how poorly the team is built, and just look at the W/L record and see whatever they are doing, isn't it.

I tire of the same defence that people use for the FO to excuse mediocrity and constant screw ups. It's the same people who defend the FO and every single move despite reality. There is zero objectivity and it's absurd.

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Not true, if Siakam extended this past offseason and ready for trade Jan 9, Siakam contract this year is still $37M for matching in trade. His $50M kicks in next year

And what if Siakam gets hurt badly, or what if Siakam lets off the pedal and plays terribly... and we just extended him to a massive deal. I can only imagine the posts in either case if something went wrong with this hypothetical scenario. I can also imagine even more complaining and more hypothetical scenarios if Ujiri extended Siakam, like "who is going to take that albatross contract".

Some people aren't ever going to give you any balanced discussion. And its always something. It is never really balanced agaisnt what it takes to retain players in the NBA. Or Toronto. Not sure why they won't, but I'll leave that to you to decide.

I'm not Masai, but I'm 100% sure Masai didn't extend Siakam not because Siakam would get injured this season. What you bring up is not Pascal specific reason, it applies for any player. Why would any gm sign any player a max contract if they fear the player gets injured

Sorry, I was only talking about the narrative here. Not what Ujiri actually thinks.

The only reason I think Ujiri hasn't signed him is one of three reasons; he thinks he is not worth a max contract (making him harder to deal), wanted him to prove he was worth a max contract, or has planned to move him the entire time and its easier with his salary right the way it is. What Ujiri is looking for, young talent instead of picks/any salary, makes finding a trade much more difficult.