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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#181 » by F22_Raptor » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:31 am



In case you haven't scoured YT for JFL hilites, here's his summer league mixtape.

He does alot of things well that the former PG did not.

I'm excited to see JFL with better talent surrounding him.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#182 » by Ackshun » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:36 am

F22_Raptor wrote:

In case you haven't scoured YT for JFL hilites, here's his summer league mixtape.

He does alot of things well that the former PG did not.

I'm excited to see JFL with better talent surrounding him.


Speaking of which, Fred looks damned good here, before he won the bet. How did things deteriorate for him so quickly



Funny watching Pascal and Poetl there too
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#183 » by islandboy53 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:16 pm

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docholliday99 wrote:
I know what an Exhibit 9, Exhibit 10 and a training camp deal are - all 3 are slightly different. Dowtin signed a training camp deal with the possibility of having his non guaranteed, guaranteed on opening day. It's how he will get on the roster and be paid 2m this year (if he makes it of course). Exhibit 10's are typically reserved for players that are destined for the 905's, the come equipped with a small guarantee - like 50k - so when they're waved it's used to top up the G-League salary. Sometimes they're converted to 2ways but the Raptors have already committed to 3 players.


Per Spotrac re: Jeff Dowtin, Transactions: "JUL 22 2023 Signed a contract with Toronto (TOR) - Exhibit 10"

2 posts ago, you said, "His contract is non guaranteed and becomes fully guaranteed on opening day. It does not convert to a 2way, it converts to a standard 2 years of service vet min contract." After I pointed out that Exhibit 10's can actually convert to 2-ways, you proceeded just now to tell me this about Exhibit 10 contracts, "Sometimes they're converted to 2ways". Now, some people would have said something like, oh yeah, you were right about the conversion thing, but apparently being wrong is not your thing.

Your comment above suggests that you are confused about Dowtin's contract. As I noted from Spotrac, Dowtin actually signed a standard contract with an Exhibit 10 attachment. These are typically used for training camp invites, so it's fair to say he signed a "training camp deal", but it's specifically an Exhibit 10, not a summer contract (see cbafaq #70) or an Exhibit 9 (which can be added to a summer contract, or an Exhibit 10 just to make the term more confusing).

I eagerly await your next response.


One thing I learned from DanH was not to take Spotrac as gospel, as they're not always correct and the terms of Dowtin's contract have not been announced yet. I see they've assumed he's an exhibit 10 but that is the only place that has him listed like that. There are far more places, well, every other one that I've seen that has him simply as a nonguaranteed contract that will become guaranteed on opening night but the actual terms have not been put out https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/07/raptors-signing-jeff-dowtin-to-training-camp-agreement.html. He won't be slated for the 905's and he won't be slated for a 2way, as you yourself noted that those 3 positions are full. Reality is none of those 3 x 2ways or Dowtin or Fynn or whatever other 2-3 players will rarely see the floor anyways unless there's an injury or two or three. Not something I should have vented my bad day over that's for sure

I think you can probably find more exciting things to eagerly await for than a response on RealGM.


Indeed. Hope you're having a better day.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#184 » by ConSarnit » Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:59 pm

Ackshun wrote:
F22_Raptor wrote:

In case you haven't scoured YT for JFL hilites, here's his summer league mixtape.

He does alot of things well that the former PG did not.

I'm excited to see JFL with better talent surrounding him.


Speaking of which, Fred looks damned good here, before he won the bet. How did things deteriorate for him so quickly



Funny watching Pascal and Poetl there too


Yes, shocking that a 2nd year NBA player would look good against the juggernaut that was the 2017 Pelicans summer league team and all of their future HOF players.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#185 » by Ackshun » Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:13 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
Ackshun wrote:
F22_Raptor wrote:

In case you haven't scoured YT for JFL hilites, here's his summer league mixtape.

He does alot of things well that the former PG did not.

I'm excited to see JFL with better talent surrounding him.


Speaking of which, Fred looks damned good here, before he won the bet. How did things deteriorate for him so quickly



Funny watching Pascal and Poetl there too


Yes, shocking that a 2nd year NBA player would look good against the juggernaut that was the 2017 Pelicans summer league team and all of their future HOF players.


Thanks for your contribution. Much appreciated.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#186 » by junot111 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:15 pm

F22_Raptor wrote:

In case you haven't scoured YT for JFL hilites, here's his summer league mixtape.

He does alot of things well that the former PG did not.

I'm excited to see JFL with better talent surrounding him.

Bruh are you seriously comparing a summer league player to a NBA starting PG :lol:
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#187 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:24 pm

Ackshun wrote:Speaking of which, Fred looks damned good here, before he won the bet. How did things deteriorate for him so quickly

Yeah I remember that guy in the video. Dude went onto be a key guy on a championship team and an all-star a half decade later. The deterioration came quick.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#188 » by Los_29 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:27 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Ackshun wrote:Speaking of which, Fred looks damned good here, before he won the bet. How did things deteriorate for him so quickly

Yeah I remember that guy in the video. Dude went onto be a key guy on a championship team and an all-star a half decade later. The deterioration came quick.


So much deterioration. It was all downhill after that Summer League appearance in 2017.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#189 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:28 pm

JFL shot 46% from three in summer league. 37% in G-league last year.

That's all I have to hear.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#190 » by Zeno » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:06 pm

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#192 » by Jerry Lucas » Thu Jan 4, 2024 2:41 pm

With the IQ addition there is less of a clear path to a role in the rotation for him now. Jontay was also the only 2-way brought on the west coast road trip with the team. The other two 2-ways and Gradey are with the 905.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#193 » by bluerap23 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 2:42 pm

He has played really well despite dealing with nagging injury. I would love to see him get some mins in the second unit.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#194 » by nivisi9 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 3:47 pm

when can we give this guy Trents minutes?

Always shooting good % and those live action tapes are very intriguing..

great self creation, athletic, twitchy, crafty, good quickness, nice jumper, excelled in league/summer league..

exactly the type guy with some potential I'd like give an opportunity to over guys like Flynn / Trent/ McDaniels..

Why's this guy never gotten a chance? Has it all been injuries so far?
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#195 » by mihaic » Thu Jan 4, 2024 3:55 pm

nivisi9 wrote:when can we give this guy Trents minutes?

Always shooting good % and those live action tapes are very intriguing..

great self creation, athletic, twitchy, crafty, good quickness, nice jumper, excelled in league/summer league..

exactly the type guy with some potential I'd like give an opportunity to over guys like Flynn / Trent/ McDaniels..

Why's this guy never gotten a chance? Has it all been injuries so far?


After we trade Trent.
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Re: Woj - Raptors sign Javon Freeman-Liberty to 2 way deal 

Post#196 » by mtcan » Thu Jan 4, 2024 4:11 pm

Give me Freeman-Liberty or give me death!!!
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Post#197 » by MonkBatter42 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:29 pm

Does anyone know about the origin of his last names? There is no way that a Freeman coincidentally married a Liberty, right?? Are his parents sovereign citizens who legally changed their last names lol?

Aside from that, I agree with the above. Give me Freeman-Liberty or give me death!

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