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Post#341 » by grimlock » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:31 pm

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grimlock wrote:Miami shot 28% from three. Our closeouts were light years better. Don't think its sustainable, BUT I will say whenever I saw Siakam closing out on a 3pt shooter, late with his hands down, I always know it was in. I wish there was a stat for shot percentage when being covered by a player. If there was I wouldn't be surprised if Siakam's opponents shot 50% or greater over him


https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627783/defense-dash


Am I reading it right? People shoot 45% from 3 when being defended by pascal?
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Post#342 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:33 pm

grimlock wrote:Miami shot 28% from three. Our closeouts were light years better. Don't think its sustainable, BUT I will say whenever I saw Siakam closing out on a 3pt shooter, late with his hands down, I always know it was in. I wish there was a stat for shot percentage when being covered by a player. If there was I wouldn't be surprised if Siakam's opponents shot 50% or greater over him


You're not far off. This year players were shooting 44% on Siakam defended threes. Over the years he's been about average, and in general players are almost always going to be close to average defending the three, so it's probably not an effort thing and more an aspect of variance. For example players are shooting about 44% against OG this year as well. Neither player was killing our defense with their lack of effort, even though I don't think either was really playing that hard for the Raptors this year.
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Post#343 » by MoMan24 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:49 pm

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grimlock wrote:Miami shot 28% from three. Our closeouts were light years better. Don't think its sustainable, BUT I will say whenever I saw Siakam closing out on a 3pt shooter, late with his hands down, I always know it was in. I wish there was a stat for shot percentage when being covered by a player. If there was I wouldn't be surprised if Siakam's opponents shot 50% or greater over him


You're not far off. This year players were shooting 44% on Siakam defended threes. Over the years he's been about average, and in general players are almost always going to be close to average defending the three, so it's probably not an effort thing and more an aspect of variance. For example players are shooting about 44% against OG this year as well. Neither player was killing our defense with their lack of effort, even though I don't think either was really playing that hard for the Raptors this year.

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Post#344 » by Chalky_White » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:59 pm

Mr_NC wrote:Nice bounce back win

Scottie’s turn now I guess, less commercials and more gym runs plz

It’s funny we watched Pascal struggle and then finally figure out how to be #1 option and he was crushed for it through it all and now we do it again with Scottie lol


Soon as Scottie signs his max-extension this summer a good portion of the fan base will turn on him. Folks need a scapegoat to target on the team and can easilly see Scottie getting that treatment while on a max salary.
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Post#345 » by Chandan » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:08 pm

HiJiNX wrote:Wild that there is so much passive aggressiveness going on in this thread after a huge win in which our young core looked amazing.


Just scottie hater things.
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Post#346 » by links135 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:14 pm

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grimlock wrote:Miami shot 28% from three. Our closeouts were light years better. Don't think its sustainable, BUT I will say whenever I saw Siakam closing out on a 3pt shooter, late with his hands down, I always know it was in. I wish there was a stat for shot percentage when being covered by a player. If there was I wouldn't be surprised if Siakam's opponents shot 50% or greater over him


You're not far off. This year players were shooting 44% on Siakam defended threes. Over the years he's been about average, and in general players are almost always going to be close to average defending the three, so it's probably not an effort thing and more an aspect of variance. For example players are shooting about 44% against OG this year as well. Neither player was killing our defense with their lack of effort, even though I don't think either was really playing that hard for the Raptors this year.


Except OG actually guarded star players and Pascal always took the easiest assignment.

Alot of time Siakam would overhelp and couldn't recover.
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Post#347 » by Chandan » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:15 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:
grimlock wrote:Miami shot 28% from three. Our closeouts were light years better. Don't think its sustainable, BUT I will say whenever I saw Siakam closing out on a 3pt shooter, late with his hands down, I always know it was in. I wish there was a stat for shot percentage when being covered by a player. If there was I wouldn't be surprised if Siakam's opponents shot 50% or greater over him


https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627783/defense-dash


Am I reading it right? People shoot 45% from 3 when being defended by pascal?


To be fair, I feel this way with scottie as well at the mid range. It's like his hand provide a crosshair for shooters to nail their shots. This wasn't the case with OG. I think it simply has to do with the distance between them and the ball handler they are comfortable with while guarding. It might not look like much on TV, but a foot extra distance is enormous when it comes to contesting shots.

There are players that are consistently half a step too far and players just thrive on hitting shots over their extended reach.
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Post#348 » by grimlock » Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:35 pm

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grimlock wrote:Miami shot 28% from three. Our closeouts were light years better. Don't think its sustainable, BUT I will say whenever I saw Siakam closing out on a 3pt shooter, late with his hands down, I always know it was in. I wish there was a stat for shot percentage when being covered by a player. If there was I wouldn't be surprised if Siakam's opponents shot 50% or greater over him


You're not far off. This year players were shooting 44% on Siakam defended threes. Over the years he's been about average, and in general players are almost always going to be close to average defending the three, so it's probably not an effort thing and more an aspect of variance. For example players are shooting about 44% against OG this year as well. Neither player was killing our defense with their lack of effort, even though I don't think either was really playing that hard for the Raptors this year.


Except OG actually guarded star players and Pascal always took the easiest assignment.

Alot of time Siakam would overhelp and couldn't recover.


I just felt like what I saw defensively yesterday looked like less of scramble. The closeouts were tighter and less chaotic. Siakam would often lose his guy (often helping boucher whos out flying around the court). I sometimes felt like teams were targeting him
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Post#349 » by Hero_Panda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:45 pm

grimlock wrote:I just felt like what I saw defensively yesterday looked like less of scramble. The closeouts were tighter and less chaotic. Siakam would often lose his guy (often helping boucher whos out flying around the court). I sometimes felt like teams were targeting him


Been saying it for the past few months. You could tell Siakam and OG weren't "there" when it came to defense, and focused most of their efforts on the offense.
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Post#350 » by Truthrising » Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:57 pm

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grimlock wrote:I just felt like what I saw defensively yesterday looked like less of scramble. The closeouts were tighter and less chaotic. Siakam would often lose his guy (often helping boucher whos out flying around the court). I sometimes felt like teams were targeting him


Been saying it for the past few months. You could tell Siakam and OG weren't "there" when it came to defense, and focused most of their efforts on the offense.


Indeed this is what I’ve noticed as well. Pascal was certainly not putting any effort on the defensive end.
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Post#351 » by Chandan » Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:09 pm

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Hero_Panda wrote:
grimlock wrote:I just felt like what I saw defensively yesterday looked like less of scramble. The closeouts were tighter and less chaotic. Siakam would often lose his guy (often helping boucher whos out flying around the court). I sometimes felt like teams were targeting him


Been saying it for the past few months. You could tell Siakam and OG weren't "there" when it came to defense, and focused most of their efforts on the offense.


Indeed this is what I’ve noticed as well. Pascal was certainly not putting any effort on the defensive end.


Which irked me, not because he isn't trying, but because he kept talking about how never stop working, putting in effort day in day out, first one in the gym last one out, always a fighter... And the way he played he was just throwinh punching, not fighting.. To put up decent numbers for his contract but hurting the team in the process.
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Post#352 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:11 pm

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Hero_Panda wrote:
grimlock wrote:I just felt like what I saw defensively yesterday looked like less of scramble. The closeouts were tighter and less chaotic. Siakam would often lose his guy (often helping boucher whos out flying around the court). I sometimes felt like teams were targeting him


Been saying it for the past few months. You could tell Siakam and OG weren't "there" when it came to defense, and focused most of their efforts on the offense.


Indeed this is what I’ve noticed as well. Pascal was certainly not putting any effort on the defensive end.


You're putting it mildly. Each of them completely stopped playing D. Avoiding injury since they each already knew they would be on a new team.
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Post#353 » by grimlock » Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:14 pm

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Hero_Panda wrote:
Been saying it for the past few months. You could tell Siakam and OG weren't "there" when it came to defense, and focused most of their efforts on the offense.


Indeed this is what I’ve noticed as well. Pascal was certainly not putting any effort on the defensive end.


You're putting it mildly. Each of them completely stopped playing D. Avoiding injury since they each already knew they would be on a new team.


I think it was about pay. Pascal was lining up a big pay day and didn't want to risk anything. Now Indiana will HAVE to pay him.. Knicks will Have to pay OG.. because they gave up so much. YOu'll see the effort from Pascal and OG that wasn't there on the raptors.

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