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Dinner with Demar Episode 1

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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#21 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:15 am

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TheGeneral99 wrote:At this rate every player in the league is going to have a podcast, lol.

It was cool at first but now its getting boring.

In retrospect it would have been interesting to see what our ceiling was if the trade never happened.

Demar continued to improve and has become much more efficient and a better playmaker compared to when he was with us.

We would have kept Poeltl and Delon.

You would have a new coach in Nurse who was a big upgrade over Casey and smartly split JV from Ibaka. I think the Raptors still make the Gasol trade which would have helped us a lot defensively.

I don't think we would be able to beat Philly or Milwaukee in 2019, but I do think that team would have a decent shot at making the finals in 2020.

DD was worse in the playoffs than the regular season basically every year of his career, we weren't making it to the finals with him as the #1 option.


1) You would have had the emergence of an all-star two way player in Siakam to take the load away from Demar (few expected Siakam to take such a leap after 2018).

2) OG continued to improve and emerge as an elite 3+D player.

3) You would have had a better coach in Nurse that could better mask deficiencies and strategically deal with match-ups. Huge upgrade over Casey.

4) If we traded for Gasol we have had a very high-level interior defender.

5) You keep your depth with a back-up like Poeltl (who could also be used for trade purposes for another 3+D player).

6) No Lebron in the East.

I think in 2020 that team would have a decent shot. We took the Celtics to game 7 with Siakam playing like horse ****. That being said our window would start to close with the decline of Lowry in 2022 and not being able to grab a great young guy like Barnes.


We don’t get past Philly without Kawhi, it’s really that simple. That was the best Philly team of this era.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#22 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:29 am

Vince Carter should have been better than Kobe Bryant. He was way more naturally talented. The dude just didn't have any drive.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#23 » by DelAbbot » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:39 am

Tha Cynic wrote:Vince Carter should have been better than Kobe Bryant. He was way more naturally talent. The dude just didn't have any drive.




Some of these aerial acrobatics are stuff of MJ

Vince definitely was the closest to MJ in terms of physical attributes
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#24 » by 2019nbachamps » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:52 am

Tha Cynic wrote:Vince Carter should have been better than Kobe Bryant. He was way more naturally talented. The dude just didn't have any drive.


Vince even admitted he regrets not giving it 100%.

Interestingly, Kobe always used to advise younger players to give 100% so they didn’t have regrets later in life.

Vince’s final decade in the league told you everything you needed to know about him. He decided to play for lottery bound teams so he could get meaningless minutes rather than play in competitive environments and go for a ring. He was in the league long enough he could’ve collected a ring if he just hopped around contenders. Heck, I’m sure the Warriors would’ve taken him for the minimum. If I were him I’d have gone the Gary Payton route and put the cherry on top of a decorated career rather than playing big minutes on the worst teams in the NBA.

He had a great career and is a good guy but it’s disappointing he never pushed himself to the max.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#25 » by wherescomegys » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:22 am

Look at the roster Vince played with during their semifinals run, and compare that to Kawhi’s squad. The talent level isn’t even close. Antonio Davis, Alvin, Mo Pete, Oakley, 97 year old Mark Jackson, etc, etc. He played with plumbers. Good pieces, some, but he absolutely carried that team as far as the talent would allow.

Kawhi had so many dynamic players around him - Pascal, Gasol, Fred, Kyle. Plus a bench with weapons. More to work with and not really even close. I think that matters actually, one year sample size notwithstanding.

NOT saying he’s better than Kawhi in terms of winning, defending or a being a type of alpha that everyone has to concede. But please take a look if you haven’t already at Vince’s playoff run, and how he carried them there during the regular season as well. WHEN he was engaged, he was the second best player in the league in terms of natural talent, athleticism and ability to impose his will on any game. Kobe gets top spot only because I don’t wanna deal with the replies… lol

Hot take - on just talent and athleticism, he was a better Ant Edwards.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#26 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:58 am

wherescomegys wrote:Look at the roster Vince played with during their semifinals run, and compare that to Kawhi’s squad. The talent level isn’t even close. Antonio Davis, Alvin, Mo Pete, Oakley, 97 year old Mark Jackson, etc, etc. He played with plumbers. Good pieces, some, but he absolutely carried that team as far as the talent would allow.

Kawhi had so many dynamic players around him - Pascal, Gasol, Fred, Kyle. Plus a bench with weapons. More to work with and not really even close. I think that matters actually, one year sample size notwithstanding.

NOT saying he’s better than Kawhi in terms of winning, defending or a being a type of alpha that everyone has to concede. But please take a look if you haven’t already at Vince’s playoff run, and how he carried them there during the regular season as well. WHEN he was engaged, he was the second best player in the league in terms of natural talent, athleticism and ability to impose his will on any game. Kobe gets top spot only because I don’t wanna deal with the replies… lol

Hot take - on just talent and athleticism, he was a better Ant Edwards.


Lol Ant Edwards isn't even in the same stratosphere as Vince Carter when Carter was at his best. Not even worth comparing the two. Carter had legit all time great type of talent.

Yeah, Kawhi Leonard played on the best roster in the league outside of him. That run was no fluke. The Raptors had the second best winning record in the league for nearly a decade before he joined and help put them over the top. Carter didn't have any sidekicks during his runs.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#27 » by kalel123 » Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:32 am

Damn, a DeMar DeRozan thread hijacked by Vince Carter BS. The funniest bit was praise about Vince Carter's playoffs performance, of which there were two runs. First one was horrific, one of the worst I'd seen, and second run had a few great individual games but then we gonna pretend graduation bit didn't happen?
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#28 » by maternal85 » Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:29 am

At what minute mark does he start talking about the trade ?
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#29 » by ronaldo922 » Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:52 pm

about 5-8 min mark. says got traded from a place he would be forever and father got sick etc. not alot yet

I agree there are alot of podcasts but this one on mental mindset of players is different. Demars been leader in this.


I think Dray was natural bc his relationship with Demar and them talking about going to therapy etc very relevant to what Draymond going through
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#30 » by kwajo » Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:36 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Raptors Career, playoffs:

Vince: 15 games, 25.7 PPG, 6.4 REB, 5.0 AST, .415 FG, .366 3PT, .810 FT, .513 TS
Demar: 51 games, 21.9 PPG, 4.4 REB, 3.5 AST, .410 FG, .235 3PT, .849 FT, .497 TS
Lowry: 84 games, 17.1 PPG, 4.8 REB, 6.3 AST, .424 FG, .345 3PT, .797 FT, .554 TS


Lowry with a whole other season worth of games as a Raptor in the playoffs, wow.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#31 » by TheGeneral99 » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:08 pm

kwajo wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Raptors Career, playoffs:

Vince: 15 games, 25.7 PPG, 6.4 REB, 5.0 AST, .415 FG, .366 3PT, .810 FT, .513 TS
Demar: 51 games, 21.9 PPG, 4.4 REB, 3.5 AST, .410 FG, .235 3PT, .849 FT, .497 TS
Lowry: 84 games, 17.1 PPG, 4.8 REB, 6.3 AST, .424 FG, .345 3PT, .797 FT, .554 TS


Lowry with a whole other season worth of games as a Raptor in the playoffs, wow.


More proof Lowry was just better despite being less talented.

Higher TS, brought all the intangibles, took charges, played great defense, an elite floor general who made everyone better, set good screens, and was a dog even if his shot wasn't falling.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#32 » by mtcan » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:59 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:Vince Carter should have been better than Kobe Bryant. He was way more naturally talent. The dude just didn't have any drive.




Some of these aerial acrobatics are stuff of MJ

Vince definitely was the closest to MJ in terms of physical attributes

This is before he became jump shooting Vince. Jump shooting Vince wasn't nearly as dynamic as the guy who wanted to dunk on everyone.
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Re: Dinner with Demar Episode 1 

Post#33 » by ronaldo922 » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:02 pm

This went off on a different tangent.

But clearly the people complaining about it being Draymond didnt watch the episode or they would understand why it was Draymond. They are close and he considers him a friend and went through personal things with him. Thats why its different, its about vunerable moments and I guess either the posters are much too young to have gotten to this stage and cannot relate

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