Badonkadonk wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:bobbyp3588 wrote:
That’s a shockingly stupid opinion. Like head full of rocks stuff.
I guess math and logic are not your strong points?
lol, my strongest actually. Please explain the flaws in my statement.
You supplanted the NBA-determined market value for Ochai (14th pick) with your own using his "college" stats, without context, comparison or anything else that's relevant to scouting. NBADraft.net had him 14th in their mock (nice guess!). TheRinger had him 22nd. Saying he should have been in the 30s or 40s is just arbitrary and opposes not just his determined value, but how the consensus viewed him.
He played 20+mpg as a rookie because he has NBA starter-level skill on D, and was passable offensively. As others have stated, his path to rotation minutes is very clear - if he can shoot more consistently, he'll be a solid player in the league. He's already been a useful one bc of his defense, which is less sexy but impacts every single play.
I'm surprised Utah flipped him in his 2nd year. Often times, a player will show what they can be in year 3 right before their rookie-scale contract is up. That the 29th pick was flipped for both him and a useful 4/5 who's contributed strong value for his salary and in an area of need is just an objectively good trade.
I like Olynyk, but he was a FA so they could have just signed up with cap space and he was probably worth a early 2nd on his own to a contending team, less to us. They extended him so I don't hate the trade for that reason, but I still think it was bad value.
Agbaji was a bad pick at #14
29. Ochai Agbaji
There is so much to dislike about Agbaji. He is 22 years old and getting drafted for his spot up shooting when it is not even that obvious he can shoot. He only made 74.3% FT as a senior and 71.2% for his career. This makes it difficult to fully trust his 40.7% 3P on high volume as a senior.
Further he is a 6’5.5″ SG with mediocre feel for the game, does not create much offense for himself or teammates, and may be a significant liability on defense.
But he had really good on/off splits for the champion Jayhawks, he has decent man to man defensive abilities because of his length, strength, and athleticism, and it is possible that he is a good shooter after all.
So it wouldn’t be a shock to see him reach a basic level of usefulness, which is more than can be said for most guys still on the board this late. But it also wouldn’t be a shock to see him amount to nothing, and his upside is fairly limited.
After two years he is pretty bad on offense and overall a mediocre defender at best because his team defense is very poor and his man defense doesn't fully make up for it.
At the time of the trade his value had plummeted from #14. He was a reach then, but for arguments sake let's say he was worth a pick in the early 20s in '22 which is probably closer to the consensus than where he was actually picked. (Looking at his college stats he's the type of player I stay away from completely in the first round). He was just shy of being 24 at the time of the trade and has yet to show in two years anything that would indicate he's going to be a player of value in the NBA so his value on his own was probably at best worth a pick in the late 40s or 50s which is relatively much less than half the value of #29. It's not the NFL where 2 or 3 mid 2nd rounders can move you up into the first round.
He's not without hope, but odds are against him ever being good enough to play an impactful role for a contending team. This is exacerbated by the fact that Darko wants high IQ players for his system and that's his biggest flaw.
Especially when we have a pick 2 picks later.
