JB7 wrote:Scase wrote:MEDIC wrote:
You aren't a fan of his game....I get it.
I am approaching it from the same angle djsunyc is. It's a blank slate for me.
I don't think NYK was the ideal situation for him.
If you want to put less emphasis on his NYC years that's fine, but acting like 5 years of experience never happened, I'm sorry but that's just stupid.
It happened, it shaped his game and his mentality, and will absolutely and unequivocally have an impact on his career path moving forward. It's not any sort of guarantee that it's all he will ever be, but there is no reasonable way you can ignore 5 years of experience in the league and pretend it didn't happen just because he's on a different team.
It is not about ignoring the numbers from the first 4.5 years, but understanding the context in which they occurred. The fact those 4.5 years were his first in the league, on a team with a specific structure, helped influence the results that RJ experienced. On a new team, with a new offensive structure, and the growth/maturity he has gained, it is not unreasonable to think is production could improve, and the production he saw in Toronto could be closer to what to expect going forward if the environment remains the same.
Like I said multiple times, I agree, it is not unreasonable to think or even expect his production to improve. But it is unreasonable to say things like "blank slate" or "what he did with the knicks is no longer relevant".
The habits and play style he has been doing game in and game out for 5 years don't magically go away just cause he's on a different team or in a different situation. How a player develops in their formative years is more impactful than later on in their career. I would be shocked and thoroughly disappointed if he DIDN'T improve, but he's not going to turn into a 40% 3pt shooter just cause he's not on the knicks anymore.
raptorforlife88 wrote:Scase wrote:What RJ did for 300 career games is not important guys, only what he did for 30 games here. THAT is the true predictor of future success, short unsustainable bursts with no sample size. Nothing to see here.
Some of the **** you read around here
I think there's meaning to those 30 games because if he put up those numbers while playing the same way he did in New York that wouldn't matter at all, it would just be a really crazy outlier and you could dismiss it.
But there's two things here. One if you look through his career splits,
there wasn't a single month he had the numbers he had over 30 games here which is wild. And two is that he completely cut out his mid range shots, had a significantly higher percentage of assisted shots, and in terms of eye test started a lot of plays while in motion and not at a standstill.
Those two things are connected. Those are significant changes to his game, that led to numbers over a stretch of time that he never showed in New York.
It's unlikely I think that he keeps up his percentage on finishes, but he'll also probably shoot better on free throws which balances it out a bit.
But I'm not sure how you can dismiss him literally playing a completely different game here than he did there.
Between 8-15% of his shot his entire career in NY were taken between 10 feet to the three point line. That dropped to 3% here, basically a negligible number. He had terrible percentages on those shots. Just by removing it he's improved his game a decent bit.
The bolded is just more evidence to it being an outlier is what I'm saying. I don't think it is at all unreasonable to say "Hey let's see if for a whole season before we start the parade", yet to a select few it's apparently blasphemy.
I'm not dismissing him playing differently at all, scroll up, I was literally discussing this with Fairview and Consarnit about how his shot diets have changed. People just either like to read what they want to read, or aren't following the convo.
MEDIC wrote:Scase wrote:MEDIC wrote:
You aren't a fan of his game....I get it.
I am approaching it from the same angle djsunyc is. It's a blank slate for me.
I don't think NYK was the ideal situation for him.
If you want to put less emphasis on his NYC years that's fine, but acting like 5 years of experience never happened, I'm sorry but that's just stupid.
It happened, it shaped his game and his mentality, and will absolutely and unequivocally have an impact on his career path moving forward. It's not any sort of guarantee that it's all he will ever be, but there is no reasonable way you can ignore 5 years of experience in the league and pretend it didn't happen just because he's on a different team.
Kyle.Lowry had 6 years of experience before arriving here. Many teams had written him off. How did that work out for us? He was what....26 years old?
Guys find their way. He's still young. He's hungry. He's very competitive. He has a level head & good leadership qualities. Plus he has some really good people in his corner, including a basketball father.
Just sit back and watch with a sense of curiosity & interest.......... enjoy the ride.
After his 3rd season here (when he is entering his prime), I'll form some.kind of opinion
Ok cool, now go find how many guys who were in the league for 6 years and had a massive resurgence. I never said it's impossible, I said I'm not going to hold my breath on it happening. Crazier things have happened, but probabilities exist for a reason.
Los_29 wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:disoblige wrote:
Thats what happens when you have Scase. He change the thread topics to topics to discredit Masai.
Cant wait to find out why Siakam sucks to
I find this one particularly interesting as he also hates the return we got for Pascal.
It's so cute that I have this little fan club of you all. Let me know when you guys want autographs or pictures, since clearly you can't get enough of me.
Wasn't it you who loved to claim "rent free". Oh the irony of it all.