NBA Champion, Superstar - Pascal Siakam Headed back to the ECF

[DemHeavyHands]

1. Siakam has easily eclipsed Derozan as a player in my eyes, and is probably on par or passed Bosh.

2. These playoffs have cemented that you can have Siakam as the #2 or #3 option on a championship team. While he couldn't get to the FT line at an elite rate scoring 21 PPG o 17 shots with a FG% around 47%+ for 2 seasons now is giving it some consistency.

3. Siakam is not a Superstar, but a very very good player.

Just curious, in what sense has siakam “probably” passed Bosh as a player? Bosh is a hall of famer lol

I also don’t know the argument for siakam easily over derozan?

[DreamTeam09]

1. Siakam has easily eclipsed Derozan as a player in my eyes, and is probably on par or passed Bosh.

2. These playoffs have cemented that you can have Siakam as the #2 or #3 option on a championship team. While he couldn't get to the FT line at an elite rate scoring 21 PPG o 17 shots with a FG% around 47%+ for 2 seasons now is giving it some consistency.

3. Siakam is not a Superstar, but a very very good player.

Just curious, in what sense has siakam “probably” passed Bosh as a player? Bosh is a hall of famer lol

I also don’t know the argument for siakam easily over derozan?

I mean if Pascal played 5 yrs with LBJ + Wade he'd be considered a HOF too
Pascal has led his teams further than Demar, or at least to similar heights as 1st option & is way better as a 2nd option due to his ability to play both sides of the ball

[Spates]

1. Siakam has easily eclipsed Derozan as a player in my eyes, and is probably on par or passed Bosh.

2. These playoffs have cemented that you can have Siakam as the #2 or #3 option on a championship team. While he couldn't get to the FT line at an elite rate scoring 21 PPG o 17 shots with a FG% around 47%+ for 2 seasons now is giving it some consistency.

3. Siakam is not a Superstar, but a very very good player.

This is just full on delusion. Flat-Earthers, anti-vaxxers, and Pascal stans

[Vampirate]

1. Siakam has easily eclipsed Derozan as a player in my eyes, and is probably on par or passed Bosh.

2. These playoffs have cemented that you can have Siakam as the #2 or #3 option on a championship team. While he couldn't get to the FT line at an elite rate scoring 21 PPG o 17 shots with a FG% around 47%+ for 2 seasons now is giving it some consistency.

3. Siakam is not a Superstar, but a very very good player.

Just curious, in what sense has siakam “probably” passed Bosh as a player? Bosh is a hall of famer lol

I also don’t know the argument for siakam easily over derozan?

I'd said Siakam was probably 'on par or passed', not just passed.

Siakam is likely getting in the HoF at some point due to that championship.

Neither player lead us anywhere as a #1 option 'Playoff Wise'


As for Derozan, Siakam is the better defender, rebounder and slightly worse facilitator.

As for their scoring, go look at their playoff stats and get back to me lol.

[will]

What - Pascal getting into the HOF with that 'chip?

This is absolutely incredible.

[Vampirate]

What - Pascal getting into the HOF with that 'chip?

This is absolutely incredible.

The level you need to get to the Basketball HoF is pretty low, the fact that Derozan might says it all.

Tbh if Bosh didn't team up with Lebron and Wade, he's most likely not in the HoF.

I don't know why you need the sarcasm here.

What I think of him as a player has nothing to do with if we actually should have kept him or not.

(he's All NBA caliber, but not a franchise type of player which is what we needed, if that makes sense)

If you give him any praise you're a stan, if you give him any criticism you're a hater.

[will]

What - Pascal getting into the HOF with that 'chip?

This is absolutely incredible.

The level you need to get to the Basketball HoF is pretty low, the fact that Derozan might says it all.

Tbh if Bosh didn't team up with Lebron and Wade, he's most likely not in the HoF.

I don't know why you need the sarcasm here.

What I think of him as a player has nothing to do with if we actually should have kept him or not.

(he's All NBA caliber, but not a franchise type of player which is what we needed, if that makes sense)

If you give him any praise you're a stan, if you give him any criticism you're a hater.

Bruv, Pascal already maxed out his PPG at 24.2 PPG 2 years ago. He's played 7 seasons and just turned 30. His game is reliant on athleticism more than anything. Unless he starts to refine his actual offensive game, there is no way he's even considered a HOFer - unless he is a part of multiple 'chip winning teams. Very good role player at that he is. I'll leave it at that. Won't get 2-3 seasons of being a faux #1 option cloud my judgement.

Demar has actually gotten better after hitting age 30. His game is really based on being crafty. Getting to the line and hitting a high volume of his FT, creating plays, driving the offense.

All NBA against GLeague squads a few seasons ago. Hasn't sniffed anything of that like since.

So glad the Raptors are not the ones paying him the max and having a jacked up roster as a result. Let Indy have that.

[Vampirate]

What - Pascal getting into the HOF with that 'chip?

This is absolutely incredible.

The level you need to get to the Basketball HoF is pretty low, the fact that Derozan might says it all.

Tbh if Bosh didn't team up with Lebron and Wade, he's most likely not in the HoF.

I don't know why you need the sarcasm here.

What I think of him as a player has nothing to do with if we actually should have kept him or not.

(he's All NBA caliber, but not a franchise type of player which is what we needed, if that makes sense)

If you give him any praise you're a stan, if you give him any criticism you're a hater.

Bruv, Pascal already maxed out his PPG at 24.2 PPG 2 years ago. He's played 7 seasons and just turned 30. His game is reliant on athleticism more than anything. Unless he starts to refine his actual offensive game, there is no way he's even considered a HOFer - unless he is a part of multiple 'chip winning teams. Very good role player at that he is. I'll leave it at that. Won't get 2-3 seasons of being a faux #1 option cloud my judgement.

Demar has actually gotten better after hitting age 30. His game is really based on being crafty. Getting to the line and hitting a high volume of his FT, creating plays, driving the offense.

All NBA against GLeague squads a few seasons ago. Hasn't sniffed anything of that like since.

So glad the Raptors are not the ones paying him the max and having a jacked up roster as a result. Let Indy have that.

We're comparing Siakam to the likes of Bosh and Derozan here, not Vince.

Bosh never hit 25PPG either.

Getting into the Basketball HoF isn't much to speak of tbh, do you really view Bosh as that high of a player? I don't.

My point was not that Siakam is that great, it's that Bosh himself wasn't that great either, especially playing for us.

As for Derozan, just compare Derozan's post season stats to either Siakam or Bosh. He's one of the worst post season performers.

Very good regular season player, but that's about where it ends.

The truth is neither Siakam, Bosh or Derozan are close to #1 options. In terms of the post season, I have Derozan as the worst performer.

You don't view Siakam that highly, I don't view either of Siakam, Bosh or Derozan that highly. They are all star levels to certain degrees, but neither players you get you very far if they are your best player.

And yeah, i'm also glad were not shelling out for the max for Siakam's next contract.

[Duffman100]

My HoF wouldn't have Bosh, Derozan or Siakam. Hell it probably wouldn't have Lowry.

But that isn't the reality of the actual HoF.

[EastonEddy]

Pascal isn't a superstar. Period.
Pacers aren't a championship contender as constructed, either.
If they think a full season of Siakam and running it back is going to get them there, they're wrong. Even with the development of their younger guys, they could easily see some 3p% regression from guys that had career years this year, which will negate that internal development.
They should really consider being brave and moving 3-4 pieces for PG13.

Ah yes noted playoff performer Paul George. Pascal had better stats this year, is 5 years younger and can play PF. I don't know why they would do that.

If I were Indiana I would not tinker with the roster too much. I think best course of action is be patient and hope for their youth to develop. They basically need Haliburton to turn into a real superstar to have a real chance. One of Nembhard or Mathurin needs to develop into a legit #2/#3. They need to acquire a young mobile C off the bench who can provide some rim protection.

[DelAbbot]

1. Siakam has easily eclipsed Derozan as a player in my eyes, and is probably on par or passed Bosh.

2. These playoffs have cemented that you can have Siakam as the #2 or #3 option on a championship team. While he couldn't get to the FT line at an elite rate scoring 21 PPG o 17 shots with a FG% around 47%+ for 2 seasons now is giving it some consistency.

3. Siakam is not a Superstar, but a very very good player.

Dude, your takes are usually rational but "Siakam over Bosh" is crazy. Compare Siakam to Bosh in Tor as a volume scorer and Bosh in Miami as a #3 option, either way Siakam's impact since the beginning of the bubble is definitely below Bosh. Only Siakam's time from Oct 2018 to Feb 2020 is on par with Bosh. Remember to adjust for pace (era) when comparing them.

[DelAbbot]

My HoF wouldn't have Bosh, Derozan or Siakam. Hell it probably wouldn't have Lowry.

But that isn't the reality of the actual HoF.

Derozan is close to HoF by longevity.

[Kingsway_fan]

My HoF wouldn't have Bosh, Derozan or Siakam. Hell it probably wouldn't have Lowry.

But that isn't the reality of the actual HoF.

Agreed. Esp Lowry....

[YogurtProducer]

My HoF wouldn't have Bosh, Derozan or Siakam. Hell it probably wouldn't have Lowry.

But that isn't the reality of the actual HoF.

Agreed. Esp Lowry....

Lowry is the best of the bunch

[YogurtProducer]

1. Siakam has easily eclipsed Derozan as a player in my eyes, and is probably on par or passed Bosh.

2. These playoffs have cemented that you can have Siakam as the #2 or #3 option on a championship team. While he couldn't get to the FT line at an elite rate scoring 21 PPG o 17 shots with a FG% around 47%+ for 2 seasons now is giving it some consistency.

3. Siakam is not a Superstar, but a very very good player.

Just curious, in what sense has siakam “probably” passed Bosh as a player? Bosh is a hall of famer lol

I also don’t know the argument for siakam easily over derozan?

The arguement for Siakam over Derozan is pretty simple.

Better peak + more team success as both a #2 on a championship team, #1 on a contender in 2020, and now a #2 (1b?) on a team who made an ECF run.

Derozan had a ECF run as well, in which he shot 39% from the field and was benched in some games.

Bosh has the team success, but he did it all as a #3. Experienced zero #1 success and never really saw him as a #2.

[Duffman100]

My HoF wouldn't have Bosh, Derozan or Siakam. Hell it probably wouldn't have Lowry.

But that isn't the reality of the actual HoF.

Agreed. Esp Lowry....

Lowry is the best of the bunch

I was gonna say. Lowry is the clear and far away best player of the bunch.

[ontnut]

Pascal isn't a superstar. Period.
Pacers aren't a championship contender as constructed, either.
If they think a full season of Siakam and running it back is going to get them there, they're wrong. Even with the development of their younger guys, they could easily see some 3p% regression from guys that had career years this year, which will negate that internal development.
They should really consider being brave and moving 3-4 pieces for PG13.

Ah yes noted playoff performer Paul George. Pascal had better stats this year, is 5 years younger and can play PF. I don't know why they would do that.

If I were Indiana I would not tinker with the roster too much. I think best course of action is be patient and hope for their youth to develop. They basically need Haliburton to turn into a real superstar to have a real chance. One of Nembhard or Mathurin needs to develop into a legit #2/#3. They need to acquire a young mobile C off the bench who can provide some rim protection.

So what you're asking for is a super long shot. I like Hali, and I like Scottie, but I also believe neither of them are a real #1 superstar on a contender type. Hoping Nembhard or Mathurin becomes a 2/3 on a championship contender? I might as well hope for a kpop star to hit me up. Might take a while.

I use PG13 as an example, it doesn't HAVE to be him. Simply saying they need a #1. Hali isn't it, Siakam isn't it. PG13 CAN be that guy, he's definitely got the tools, and maybe as a clear cut #1 with a decent supporting cast, he could be that guy. I'd certainly give them a better shot at winning a championship with 2-3 years of him and Siakam on the wing with Hali, versus the next 5 years of them figuring out that they're not good enough when Pascal is 32-33 and maxed out, Hali's maxed out, their young guys get extended or leave, and then trying to tinker then.