Bridges to the Knicks

[Duffman100]

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Man, if you can't even keep up and remember things you said 10 hours ago, why are you bothering to discuss anything.

You try to rationalize it because I have called some things in the past lucky, it's a false equivalency either to make a terrible point, or for the sake of nothing more than arguing. Either way it is pointless. This whole thing started with me commenting on how people will constantly find ways to defend bad moves no matter what, and your response to that comment, was to try and defend a bad move with a straw man.

I asked you a question. I didn't rationalize the trade. I'm trying to use your metric for evaluating moves.

Yeah, that's the rationalization. You could have easily just said "Yeah the trade was bad", but no you wanted to make an argument about it with some random straw man, that you made up on the spot.

So like are you a mod that is just instigating an argument, or am I missing the point of this "discourse".

That's not a rationalization.

You've mentioned luck constantly about Masai. I'm trying to understand why that luck doesn't go both ways

[Johnny Bball]

And if you're going to endlessly focus on the losses, you can't blame the wins on luck. It goes both ways.

You keep making it sound like everything he has ever done well I've attributed to luck, despite that not being the case, and me being very clear with what I think is more attributed to luck than skill. But yeah, keep ignoring that I guess cause you have some sort of slant here.

I'm focusing on the losses, because that has overwhelmingly been the case over the last few years. I would say since the chip his outright wins have been drafting Scottie, and the OG trade. Aside from that it has been more missteps than anything.

So keep pushing your agenda if you want I guess, but it doesn't make it real just because you say so.

My agenda? We have over a dozen posters who have all called you out for being endlessly negative and had conflicts. We all know who you were before and that your 'break' is clearly very transparent.

I trust I can ask this question because you understand the point here, and its not really questioning your moderation. When are you just going to stop being tolerant and just enforce the board rules? Its a rhetorical question.

[RoteSchroder]

First thoughts: That's a way better haul than we got for Siakam. Considering the OG trade, Knicks seem to be willing to give up serious assets for players they want. Too bad the Knicks didn't covet Siakam.

Second thought: uh..u got anymore of dem picks for a championship caliber player in Bruce Brown?

I can't wait to see all the hoops people jump through to continue defending the siakam return when you see stuff like this.

Masai just made a bad trade, but I doubt we'll see any admittance of that

Of course it was a bad trade. But the OG was a good trade? No no, it was just good luck.

So can I say the Siakam deal was bad luck?

The market just wasn’t that hot for Siakam, even in the prior year. I don’t think it’s on Masai. For Bridges, multiple teams were interested and one of those teams were the Knicks, who are willing to dish out assets.

The teams supposedly interested in Siakam (Indiana, SAC, GSW) are cheapskates. GSW had two disgruntled players and instead of getting Curry help, they still held onto them.

Similarly, the market wasn’t that great for FVV. I would have traded FVV for Grayson + low 1st cause I don’t like his game, but realistically, the value on that trade was very meager.

[Scase]

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I asked you a question. I didn't rationalize the trade. I'm trying to use your metric for evaluating moves.

Yeah, that's the rationalization. You could have easily just said "Yeah the trade was bad", but no you wanted to make an argument about it with some random straw man, that you made up on the spot.

So like are you a mod that is just instigating an argument, or am I missing the point of this "discourse".

That's not a rationalization.

You've mentioned luck constantly about Masai. I'm trying to understand why that luck doesn't go both ways

Because at the end of the day he agrees to the trade, that isn't bad luck, that is an active choice. Another team not being stupid and giving you better assets isn't bad luck, that's not making a good enough case to sell him. Not trading a player close to two years ago isn't bad luck, that's a choice. Building around a player that is not worthy of being a centrepiece that didn't suffer any major season ending injuries, isn't luck, that's a choice.

A player getting injured, that's bad luck, Koloko for instance. A player being left to run out the last few months of their contract, and leading to a poor return, is bad asset management

But sure, keep comparing apples and cinder blocks.

[Los_29]

marks masterclass in how to rebuild

Not hard to rebuild when you have guys like Harden, KD and Irving. lol.

This is what happens when you trade someone with term on their contract. Masai was a god damn joke for that trade.

Bridges contract is incredible. That’s why he was so valuable. He’s owed 23 million next year and then 24 million the following year. If he was making 35 million a year his contract would not be viewed favourably around the league.

What were the offers for Pascal last year? Everything that I’ve heard was that they were only marginally better than this year. In the offseason the Hawks were offering a poo poo platter for him.

"Raptors never leak" and here you are expecting exact details for what was offered for Siakam.

I get it, Masai never got offered anything for Lowry/Fred/Siakam/Bruce Brown. It just happens he's the one giving up 1st Rounders for Poeltl/Thad/Olynyk lol.

Ugh man, other teams can leak. It’s really not that complicated. The offers were not strong for Pascal.

Lowry was a 36 year old on the last year of his contract and was being offered THT and Kendrick Nunn. If you think you’re getting something for that you’re out of your mind.

Isn’t Bruce Brown still on our team? Or did I miss something?

[Los_29]

"Raptors never leak" and here you are expecting exact details for what was offered for Siakam.

I get it, Masai never got offered anything for Lowry/Fred/Siakam/Bruce Brown. It just happens he's the one giving up 1st Rounders for Poeltl/Thad/Olynyk lol.

There are two sides to a trade, other teams can leak.

I feel like Rose and co are the new exemplars of 'never leak'. Both the OG trade and this Bridges trade seemed to come out of the blue.

If Woj or Shams leaks out their pick before it’s made then they aren’t good examples. I recall their picks being leaked. For some reason Woj and Shams can’t get a hold of who we pick. lol.

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