Will Gary Trent Jr. be a Toronto Raptor after free agency?

[brownbobcat]

yes he should

surprised the Lakers havent shown interest for cheap as well, gary could be good there

Yep

Gary’s probably better than austin reeves. In a vacuum, theyre the same poop.


Garys would allow the lakers to package reeves for an upgrade elsewhere

No, he absolutely is not better than Reaves.

Agreed. GTJ is a better spot up shooter, but that's about it. Can't create his own shot, can't handle or create like Reaves. Absolutely a worse player but a rotation guy nonetheless. Now that the bag is gone, I could see him trying for a 1yr somewhere that will promise him a lot PT. For Toronto, the ideal outcome would be a S&T with some team to get a TPE, but that seems unlikely.

[CPT]

Probably not the first time I've said it in this thread and may not be the last, but I still like "theoretical" Gary Trent Jr.

He just fits nicely in a lot of lineups, and should be in most teams' top 9.

He's also a good level of player for guys like Dick, Agbaji, and Walter to have to beat out for playing time. Make them earn it, but in no way blocking them.

It seems like that ship has sailed, but any team that can get him open shots (so maybe not us) should be interested.

[MiamiSPX]

Beasley just settled for 6M on a 1-year deal from the Pistons. It seems the league is on to these guys, where the idea of them in the lineup is a lot better than the reality.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think there is a full mle market for him in a S+T of the full mle like say Vanderbilt for Gary but not sure L.A. can absorb that or think losing Vanderbilt is a smart play. Raptors now must think everything they've paid to date was an overpay based on the potential for continued improvement. Now they are pulling the plug due to restocking the cupboards.

[OAKLEY_2]

Once Vezenkov is settled let's see if Raps have another move. What a shame about Holmes. We could have picked that guy.

[Snappycoocoo]

The market for Gary Trent isn't very hot guy is going to get a paycut

[hyper316]

The market for Gary Trent isn't very hot guy is going to get a paycut

Take a 1+1 deal and rebuild value

[M3tro]

Coming-off-the-bench GTJ is trash and Dick should be the starting 2 this year from day 1.

IQ, Dick, Mitchell and Walter should be getting all the minutes at the guard spots.

[Michael Jordan]

I wish the Raps retained him. I could definitely see him on the Bucks. He'd come and drop a cool 25 while hitting 5-6 three pointers on us. Problem is he'd follow up with a 6 point game.

[Duffman100]

I wish the Raps retained him. I could definitely see him on the Bucks. He'd come and drop a cool 25 while hitting 5-6 three pointers on us. Problem is he'd follow up with a 6 point game.

He's Mopete without the defense

[ConSarnit]

The market for Gary Trent isn't very hot guy is going to get a paycut

Take a 1+1 deal and rebuild value

Guys like him typically don’t rebuild their value. He got paid on potential and in 3 years made no progress as a playmaker or defender (might have actually taken a step back in that area). If Trent is lucky enough to lock in at around the MLE for 3 years he should take it. Malik Beasley is a good case study and he went from making $15m, then the min, and now $6m. Trent is a better defender than Beasley so he should get paid more but I’d say any hope of another big pay day is gone.

[Raptaurus]

Its on the players and their agents to have a decent grasp of the market, salary cap trends, and implications of the most recent CBA.

Trent could have locked himself into a multi-year $15 million per year contract but was just too stubborn. Now, teams are no longer willing to pay $25 million for non-starting role players. They arent even paying the MLE for that.

Cats also out of the bag for Trent. When he got his last contract, he still had that “potential” to improve a lot. Teams are still willing to pay a premium for potential but not for a known one dimensional player who is what he is at this point.

[ForeverTFC]

Its on the players and their agents to have a decent grasp of the market, salary cap trends, and implications of the most recent CBA.

Trent could have locked himself into a multi-year $15 million per year contract but was just too stubborn. Now, teams are no longer willing to pay $25 million for non-starting role players. They arent even paying the MLE for that.

Cats also out of the bag for Trent. When he got his last contract, he still had that “potential” to improve a lot. Teams are still willing to pay a premium for potential but not for a known one dimensional player who is what he is at this point.

Max and near max
Subset of MLE

If the player no longer fits that profile, FA is not going to be kind to them. Their best bet would be to re-sign on a good salary filler contract with their own teams or do a sign and trade on a more limited term.

Gary on $15m would have been a pretty good contract to have for trades so I get why he passes on that tbh - a pay cut and he won't know where he will be in a year or two. But he probably thought he could get at least that amount somewhere else while having somewhat more control on where he spends the next few years of his career, but that was the mis-calculation.

[Raptaurus]

Its on the players and their agents to have a decent grasp of the market, salary cap trends, and implications of the most recent CBA.

Trent could have locked himself into a multi-year $15 million per year contract but was just too stubborn. Now, teams are no longer willing to pay $25 million for non-starting role players. They arent even paying the MLE for that.

Cats also out of the bag for Trent. When he got his last contract, he still had that “potential” to improve a lot. Teams are still willing to pay a premium for potential but not for a known one dimensional player who is what he is at this point.

Max and near max
Subset of MLE

If the player no longer fits that profile, FA is not going to be kind to them. Their best bet would be to re-sign on a good salary filler contract with their own teams or do a sign and trade on a more limited term.

Gary on $15m would have been a pretty good contract to have for trades so I get why he passes on that tbh - a pay cut and he won't know where he will be in a year or two. But he probably thought he could get at least that amount somewhere else while having somewhat more control on where he spends the next few years of his career, but that was the mis-calculation.

Yup. Resigning with their current teams at a reasonable figure or even a small discount is likely gonna the best option for role players going forward. Otherwise, testing unrestricted free agency for the NBA’s middle class can be quite risky and can even turn out to be a disaster.

[ItsDanger]

Trent learning the market's supply/demand realities the hard way. Same can be said for others as well.

[hyper316]

The market for Gary Trent isn't very hot guy is going to get a paycut

Take a 1+1 deal and rebuild value

Guys like him typically don’t rebuild their value. He got paid on potential and in 3 years made no progress as a playmaker or defender (might have actually taken a step back in that area). If Trent is lucky enough to lock in at around the MLE for 3 years he should take it. Malik Beasley is a good case study and he went from making $15m, then the min, and now $6m. Trent is a better defender than Beasley so he should get paid more but I’d say any hope of another big pay day is gone.

Monk bounced around from Hornets to Lakers then Kings where he rebuilt his value

[ConSarnit]

Take a 1+1 deal and rebuild value

Guys like him typically don’t rebuild their value. He got paid on potential and in 3 years made no progress as a playmaker or defender (might have actually taken a step back in that area). If Trent is lucky enough to lock in at around the MLE for 3 years he should take it. Malik Beasley is a good case study and he went from making $15m, then the min, and now $6m. Trent is a better defender than Beasley so he should get paid more but I’d say any hope of another big pay day is gone.

Monk bounced around from Hornets to Lakers then Kings where he rebuilt his value

Monk has a different skillset than guys like Trent and Beasley. He can actually create offense for himself and others. 6MOY types have more value than guys like Beasley and Trent who can only shoot 3’s, are positionally locked sg’s and aren’t positive defenders. Trent would have to make a big leap in his playmaking to get to Monk’s level and so far he’s shown nothing in that regard. You can throw Monk out there and he can carry your offense. As we’ve seen with Trent coming off the bench, he can’t do that at all.

Guys who can create their own shot on respectable efficiency are always going to get paid more. I would also add that Monk has been underpaid during his SAC tenure while Trent has been overpaid. Both guys are 25. Monk has been a solid player for the past 2 years. Trent hasn’t improved at all during that time.

[Johnny Bball]

Full on youth movement now. Even the minutes are seemingly prioritized.