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Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement

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Do you agree with the decision to retire Vince's jersey?

Yes
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#81 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:08 pm

bballsparkin wrote:Memphis is retiring Tony Allen's. No disrespect but he never even averaged 10 points per game for them. So, considering that it's not so bad. VC was exciting. Lame that they let the Nets beat them to the punch though.


at the end of the day there is no absolute standard by which teams decide to retire a player's number, it all comes down to whatever the hell the owner and management decide to do which can be influenced by a variety of factors. it's all just games. retiring carter's number (especially before lowry's) is like telling your friends how this great one night stand you once had decades ago was a better experience than your lifelong incredible relationship with your wife.

i agree they're probably doing it for $$$ because it's one of those things that was on the edge and now they see a profitable reason to convince them to follow through given the whole 30th anniversary thing. also the nets may have pushed them in that direction as well.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#82 » by HangTime » Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:22 pm

The front office was terrible,
The local media made Vince the villain, and they absolutely loved that.

Fans could only really go off the media, and the hate grew.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#83 » by Quattro » Sat Sep 28, 2024 8:28 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:You can’t tell the story of this franchise, particularly its immense growth in popularity without mentioning Vince (the franchise was farm league level playing in an embarrassingly empty Skydome before him) so hang the damn banner and the rest of you deal with it! lol


We were even worse after he left. People need to stop with this revisionist history that he somehow made this team what it is today. We were ****, Vince came and sprayed a lot of dunks around and created some interest for maybe 3 years, then he stopped dunking, then stopped trying, left and then we were **** again.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#84 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Sep 28, 2024 8:58 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:You can’t tell the story of this franchise, particularly its immense growth in popularity without mentioning Vince (the franchise was farm league level playing in an embarrassingly empty Skydome before him) so hang the damn banner and the rest of you deal with it! lol


We were even worse after he left. People need to stop with this revisionist history that he somehow made this team what it is today. We were ****, Vince came and sprayed a lot of dunks around and created some interest for maybe 3 years, then he stopped dunking, then stopped trying, left and then we were **** again.


In terms of popularity…that’s a damn lie lol

The attendance in Damon’s era was humiliating as was the media coverage- they might as well have been the Argos unless Jordan happened to be in town lol. They didn’t even sell the lower bowl in the Skydome. It was literally extra seating that they created to better frame the court because the skydome wasn't designed for a basketball court.

The Bosh era which was right after VC EASILY had a much higher attendance and FAR more media coverage than Damon’s. Was it as good as what it became during the DD/Lowry aka We The North era?! No of course not because fans never tune into losing vs winning teams but you’re outta your mind or were just a kid if you think it was comparable to Damon’s era.

Vince created massive growth and interest. The numbers obviously dropped when he was gone because again that’s part of having a losing product but it’s laughable if you’re acting like attendance, media coverage etc were as bad as it was before Vince. You literally can read through this forum or just ask most fans who are of the age to have been around from the beginning and ask when they either started to watch or became serious fans of the team and the answer is VC era. Heck listen to the current Canadian players which Raptor inspired them…it wasn’t Damon or Bosh lol Vince undeniably grew the sport no matter how butthurt some of you are about how it ended.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#85 » by Quattro » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:35 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
Quattro wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:You can’t tell the story of this franchise, particularly its immense growth in popularity without mentioning Vince (the franchise was farm league level playing in an embarrassingly empty Skydome before him) so hang the damn banner and the rest of you deal with it! lol


We were even worse after he left. People need to stop with this revisionist history that he somehow made this team what it is today. We were ****, Vince came and sprayed a lot of dunks around and created some interest for maybe 3 years, then he stopped dunking, then stopped trying, left and then we were **** again.


In terms of popularity…that’s a damn lie lol

The attendance in Damon’s era was humiliating as was the media coverage- they might as well have been the Argos unless Jordan happened to be in town lol. They didn’t even sell the lower bowl in the Skydome. It was literally extra seating that they created to better frame the court because the skydome wasn't designed for a basketball court.

The Bosh era which was right after VC EASILY had a much higher attendance and FAR more media coverage than Damon’s. Was it as good as what it became during the DD/Lowry aka We The North era?! No of course not because fans never tune into losing vs winning teams but you’re outta your mind or were just a kid if you think it was comparable to Damon’s era.

Vince created massive growth and interest. The numbers obviously dropped when he was gone because again that’s part of having a losing product but it’s laughable if you’re acting like attendance, media coverage etc were as bad as it was before Vince. You literally can read through this forum or just ask most fans who are of the age to have been around from the beginning and ask when they either started to watch or became serious fans of the team and the answer is VC era. Heck listen to the current Canadian players which Raptor inspired them…it wasn’t Damon or Bosh lol Vince undeniably grew the sport no matter how butthurt some of you are about how it ended.


No I wasn't a kid. I was buying tickets to see this team before, during and after Vince. And I can assure you, despite your recollections, that there were PLENTY of empty seats at the ACC in the years after he left. Don't take my word for it, attendance numbers are available for everyone to see. I have fond memories of the dude who used to sit in my section and who used to show up to every game with a paper bag over his head painted in raptors colors and scream obsecenties at our players all game long.

As for pre Vince attendance, you conveniently leave out the facts that this was an expansion team playing in a hockey city and playing in an unbelievably horrible stadium.

There's no question Carter in his prime brought massive attention to this team both north and south of the border. Just stop pretending he was some sort of saviour or that he somehow put this team "on the map". Nothing changed after he left. In fact, all he really did was reinforce the stereotype that nobody wanted to play here.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#86 » by refshateRaps » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:38 am

He quit.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#87 » by refshateRaps » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:32 pm

Realizing there's quite a significant number of pump accounts on RealGM these days, this poll shows how shameless this move was.

A slap in the face to so many die hard fans who were actually dedicated to the franchise in the ugly aftermath Vince left.

Dedication does not describe Vince.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#88 » by NinjaBro » Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:35 pm

Imo anyone under the age of 30 should not have the right to vote.

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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#89 » by MoneyBall » Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:43 pm

I'd be more fine with it if he wasn't honored as the very first Raptor to have his jersey retired.

Kind of sad that the one and only Raptor to have his jersey retired is a guy who quit on the organization.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#90 » by bballsparkin » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:02 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:Memphis is retiring Tony Allen's. No disrespect but he never even averaged 10 points per game for them. So, considering that it's not so bad. VC was exciting. Lame that they let the Nets beat them to the punch though.


at the end of the day there is no absolute standard by which teams decide to retire a player's number, it all comes down to whatever the hell the owner and management decide to do which can be influenced by a variety of factors. it's all just games. retiring carter's number (especially before lowry's) is like telling your friends how this great one night stand you once had decades ago was a better experience than your lifelong incredible relationship with your wife.

i agree they're probably doing it for $$$ because it's one of those things that was on the edge and now they see a profitable reason to convince them to follow through given the whole 30th anniversary thing. also the nets may have pushed them in that direction as well.


I hear ya. Tony was special defensively. I remember when Rudy was traded to Tdot he said that DeMar was the best guard (whatever position he said) that he ever played with. Allen replied, "i guess he was only considering one side of the court". Or something like that. TA definitely wins when it comes to loyalty. Lets be honest. Lowry wins for sticking it out. But he would have left in the Babcock era too. Our lifelong incredible wife stayed because she was given the biggest diamond she could get. But nonetheless Lowry competed.
Agreed completely with your last paragraph.

And I didn't love VC comments about fans "should enjoy it" or whatever. He never was good at PR.
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#91 » by nestea » Tue Oct 1, 2024 7:07 am

Childs wrote:Fine with it. To me it's not really a big deal. If the front office decided to retire Hedo Turkoglu's jersey then I may be more offended.

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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#92 » by amasu_s » Tue Oct 1, 2024 11:19 am

I’m fine with it. He left Toronto in a bad way but he was the most exciting player in the league for a bit too
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Re: Agree or Disagree: Vince Carter Jersey Retirement 

Post#93 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Oct 2, 2024 7:04 pm

Absolutely no issue with this at all.
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