Bruce Brown Undergoes Knee Surgery / will be re-evaluated in 3 weeks

[OakleyDokely]

Kelly Olynyk, last year:

UTA: 20.4 MIN, 8.1 PPG, 5.1 REB, 4.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.2 BLK, .562 FG, .429 3PT, .842 FT, .677 TS
TOR: 26.4 MIN, 12.7 PPG, 5.6 REB, 4.6 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, .548 FG, .338 3PT, .824 FT, .644 TS

He's still a very effective offensive player who who can pass, rebound, create some turnovers. He's always been a guy that you need to hide defensively though. BOS did it with Horford, MIA did it with Bam, UTA did it with Kessler and the Raptors will need to do it with a combination of Poeltl/Barnes. But he's still been an effective rotation player on every team he's played with and his current salary matches his role pretty well.

[Scase]

Olynyk looks absolutely cooked

The "Olynyk looks absolutely cooked" is weird because the sample size of the Olympics is so low and the style is so different that making that such a definitive statement is weird. He played 36 minutes over 4 games. Two of those games were <5 minutes. Hard to get any sort of read off of that.

It's possible Olynyk has fallen off a cliff, he's around the right age. But he was totally fine last season at 55/39/83 10, 5 and 4.

Maybe cooked is the wrong word, bad is another option. His +/- On court and his On-Off rating with the Raps are both career lows....like by a pretty significant margin. He looked terrible with the national team, he's getting older, and his TOs are at the same volume after getting traded here vs Utah, despite playing 22 less games and 300ish less minutes.

He's a net negative on the floor, and the more we have to play him, the more we will lose. So maybe bad is a more apt descriptor. Either way it's 13mil/yr on top of the 23mil from BB and 11mil from Boucher, that are doing absolutely nothing for the team.

For me it’s the large amount of turnovers and overall terrible defence. He’s right up there with Scottie and RJ in turnovers while playing less minutes and getting way less of the ball.

Like I said above, his usage went higher with us and not in a state it should be in with a healthy squad.

The defense is just what it is, he's not and never been a good or even average defender. He's in to space the floor.

I don't get the uproar on Kelly Olynyk's deal. A ~13m salary is great value for a rotation big/spot starter. He's one of the few centers in the league that can actually stretch & space the floor and on paper the ideal front court mate next to Scottie. I like that he is like the Ying to Poeltl's Yang and gives Darko the flexibility to tinker with his line-ups. His numbers with us also need to be taken with a grain of salt considering BBQ was shut down to end the season.

With Brucie, it was always going to be a foregone conclusion that we pick up his option. With him struggling to the finish the year his value was at its lowest and given his bigger salary I can see why the plan was to pick him up and reevaluate at the deadline. Given the state of our team and the guys available this off season, I really don't see a guy that would have come in and made a meaningful difference. Especially given how much much we have struggle to have playable rotation guards these past few seasons.

It's going to be nice to have IQ, Mitchell, Bruce and RJ all available to soak up those minutes. I am intrigued to see more of Davion this season.

With Olynyk it's not an uproar, but more of a "why?". He's a net negative on the floor for us and barely shot 34%. But in my original post, it's less about Olynyk specifically, and more about the black hole that is the combination of contracts from him/Boucher/BB. 33.5% of the entire teams cap space is spent on players that have no place on the team.

Maybe my issue is more with the uncertainty of what this team is aiming for. If losses are the goal, then it makes sense, it is literal useless contracts that will directly aid in losing. But if the goal is to win, not a single one of them contributes to that and just eats up roster space.

So it's more of a "wtf are we trying to do here?" than anything.

Kelly Olynyk, last year:

UTA: 20.4 MIN, 8.1 PPG, 5.1 REB, 4.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.2 BLK, .562 FG, .429 3PT, .842 FT, .677 TS
TOR: 26.4 MIN, 12.7 PPG, 5.6 REB, 4.6 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, .548 FG, .338 3PT, .824 FT, .644 TS

He's still a very effective offensive player who who can pass, rebound, create some turnovers. He's always been a guy that you need to hide defensively though. BOS did it with Horford, MIA did it with Bam, UTA did it with Kessler and the Raptors will need to do it with a combination of Poeltl/Barnes. But he's still been an effective rotation player on every team he's played with and his current salary matches his role pretty well.

I suggest you take a look at the teams he has been playing for since being traded from MIA.
20-21 HOU finished 17-55
21-22 DET finished 23-59
22-23 UTA finished 37-45
23-24 TOR finished 25-57

Now by no means am I saying that he's at fault for those team's records all on his own. But it's a pretty clear pattern that no winning teams are looking to add him to their roster.

[Duffman100]

Olynyk looks absolutely cooked

The "Olynyk looks absolutely cooked" is weird because the sample size of the Olympics is so low and the style is so different that making that such a definitive statement is weird. He played 36 minutes over 4 games. Two of those games were <5 minutes. Hard to get any sort of read off of that.

It's possible Olynyk has fallen off a cliff, he's around the right age. But he was totally fine last season at 55/39/83 10, 5 and 4.

Maybe cooked is the wrong word, bad is another option. His +/- On court and his On-Off rating with the Raps are both career lows....like by a pretty significant margin. He looked terrible with the national team, he's getting older, and his TOs are at the same volume after getting traded here vs Utah, despite playing 22 less games and 300ish less minutes.

He's a net negative on the floor, and the more we have to play him, the more we will lose. So maybe bad is a more apt descriptor. Either way it's 13mil/yr on top of the 23mil from BB and 11mil from Boucher, that are doing absolutely nothing for the team.

Again, taking any sort of foundation in his time here last year and the Olympics is strange. It's a really small sample size under super weird conditions. Just like the historic pascal siakam 3 point shooting comments, needs a bit more sample size.

The year before he was a positive, the year before that negative, the year before that positive.

We can actually just... wait, and make declarations later. That is a possibility.

[phanman]

With Olynyk it's not an uproar, but more of a "why?". He's a net negative on the floor for us and barely shot 34%. But in my original post, it's less about Olynyk specifically, and more about the black hole that is the combination of contracts from him/Boucher/BB. 33.5% of the entire teams cap space is spent on players that have no place on the team.

Maybe my issue is more with the uncertainty of what this team is aiming for. If losses are the goal, then it makes sense, it is literal useless contracts that will directly aid in losing. But if the goal is to win, not a single one of them contributes to that and just eats up roster space.

So it's more of a "wtf are we trying to do here?" than anything.

I think the why for Olynyk is pretty damn clear, our front court depth without him is beyond pathetic. Given that the average salary is currently 11.9m, his contract has great value to us and any other team looking for front court depth. Plus he has the ability to play with both Scottie and Poeltl if we want to go big. Hee was a net negative for us but he played in exactly 7 games alongside BBQ and our roster to end the season was just laughable.

In regards to Bobby Boucher, I just think its unfair to group him in. He simply doesn't fit in Darko's motion heavy offense but he got his contract back in 2022. Even that deal given to him was based off his strong 2021 play and at the time a fair contract since it is descending. That 38.3% on 3.9 attempts just seems to be flukey year and his potential to get back to that is the only reason why he is still on the roster since he brings an infectious energy off the bench.

[GLF]

Y’all can’t come for anyone who was positive about RJ over the offseason bc his sample size was small with us and the Olympics but then in the same breath say Kelly is bad because of his even smaller sample size with us and the Olympics lol. Just like Duffman 100, I’m not gonna sit here and say Father Time won’t hit Kelly this season. Sadly Father Time just sneaks up on you, BUT he’s always been a terrible defender so we shouldn’t even be talking about that. His offence though is still good.

If that falls off it falls off, but let’s give the man a larger sample size before we start calling him bad. For a back up big he’s fine. Not amazing but fine. And at least he gives Scottie some semblance of the stretch 5 that y’all want so damn bad. And y’all are saying he only shot 34% with us as some negative when those stretch 5s y’all want so bad shoot pretty much around that percentage lol. Well the ones who aren’t All Star/Starter calibre, which Kelly is not.

Weren’t people saying Braden Carlson is better than Kelly? lol Well he shot 33% in summer league. And if you’re gonna use his history in College, then you can use Kelly’s history in the NBA, and he’s shot it much better than 34% in the past. He’s literally a 37% career 3 point shooter and has shot it at 40% a few times in his career already. Y’all really be doing too much when it comes to Kelly and Jakob. Sometimes I just feel y’all just want to complain to complain at this point. And it’s clear some of y’all only pick and choose when a sample size is too small for you and it seems it’s only when the sample size shows anything positive about one of our players. Right when it shows something negative y’all can’t wait to use it as some proof lol.

[Scase]

The "Olynyk looks absolutely cooked" is weird because the sample size of the Olympics is so low and the style is so different that making that such a definitive statement is weird. He played 36 minutes over 4 games. Two of those games were <5 minutes. Hard to get any sort of read off of that.

It's possible Olynyk has fallen off a cliff, he's around the right age. But he was totally fine last season at 55/39/83 10, 5 and 4.

Maybe cooked is the wrong word, bad is another option. His +/- On court and his On-Off rating with the Raps are both career lows....like by a pretty significant margin. He looked terrible with the national team, he's getting older, and his TOs are at the same volume after getting traded here vs Utah, despite playing 22 less games and 300ish less minutes.

He's a net negative on the floor, and the more we have to play him, the more we will lose. So maybe bad is a more apt descriptor. Either way it's 13mil/yr on top of the 23mil from BB and 11mil from Boucher, that are doing absolutely nothing for the team.

Again, taking any sort of foundation in his time here last year and the Olympics is strange. It's a really small sample size under super weird conditions. Just like the historic pascal siakam 3 point shooting comments, needs a bit more sample size.

The year before he was a positive, the year before that negative, the year before that positive.

We can actually just... wait, and make declarations later. That is a possibility.

His OnCourt +/- has been a minus since 20-21, his on/off has been better mind you, unless we are talking about 2 different things here. Like there's sample size, this isn't 30 games we are talking about, and then you take into account that no team besides tanking ones have had any interest of him being on their roster, and it kinda says something.

With Olynyk it's not an uproar, but more of a "why?". He's a net negative on the floor for us and barely shot 34%. But in my original post, it's less about Olynyk specifically, and more about the black hole that is the combination of contracts from him/Boucher/BB. 33.5% of the entire teams cap space is spent on players that have no place on the team.

Maybe my issue is more with the uncertainty of what this team is aiming for. If losses are the goal, then it makes sense, it is literal useless contracts that will directly aid in losing. But if the goal is to win, not a single one of them contributes to that and just eats up roster space.

So it's more of a "wtf are we trying to do here?" than anything.

I think the why for Olynyk is pretty damn clear, our front court depth without him is beyond pathetic. Given that the average salary is currently 11.9m, his contract has great value to us and any other team looking for front court depth. Plus he has the ability to play with both Scottie and Poeltl if we want to go big. Hee was a net negative for us but he played in exactly 7 games alongside BBQ and our roster to end the season was just laughable.

In regards to Bobby Boucher, I just think its unfair to group him in. He simply doesn't fit in Darko's motion heavy offense but he got his contract back in 2022. Even that deal given to him was based off his strong 2021 play and at the time a fair contract since it is descending. That 38.3% on 3.9 attempts just seems to be flukey year and his potential to get back to that is the only reason why he is still on the roster since he brings an infectious energy off the bench.

Our front court depth with him is beyond pathetic lol. His production will likely continue to decline, so I don't see a whole lot of value in him being on the team. But as I said before, it's not about him specifically, but rather how much salary we have tied up in several players that either don't deserve or shouldn't be seeing the court. 33.5% is not an insignificant amount.

Y’all can’t come for anyone who was positive about RJ over the offseason bc his sample size was small with us and the Olympics but then in the same breath say Kelly is bad because of his even smaller sample size with us and the Olympics lol. Just like Duffman 100, I’m not gonna sit here and say Father Time won’t hit Kelly this season. Sadly Father Time just sneaks up on you, BUT he’s always been a terrible defender so we shouldn’t even be talking about that. His offence though is still good.

If that falls off it falls off, but let’s give the man a larger sample size before we start calling him bad. For a back up big he’s fine. Not amazing but fine. And at least he gives Scottie some semblance of the stretch 5 that y’all want so damn bad. And y’all are saying he only shot 34% with us as some negative when those stretch 5s y’all want so bad shoot pretty much around that percentage lol. Well the ones who aren’t All Star/Starter calibre, which Kelly is not.

Weren’t people saying Braden Carlson is better than Kelly? lol Well he shot 33% in summer league. And if you’re gonna use his history in College, then you can use Kelly’s history in the NBA, and he’s shot it much better than 34% in the past. He’s literally a 37% career 3 point shooter and has shot it at 40% a few times in his career already. Y’all really be doing too much when it comes to Kelly and Jakob. Sometimes I just feel y’all just want to complain to complain at this point. And it’s clear some of y’all only pick and choose when a sample size is too small for you and it seems it’s only when the sample size shows anything positive about one of our players. Right when it shows something negative y’all can’t wait to use it as some proof lol.

Eh, this entire discussion came from me just saying that KO is cooked. Nothing more than that. To try and get this back to the actual point I was making, we have 33.5% of the entire teams cap space, tied up in 3 players who won't or shouldn't see court time. That's a bad use of resources. I don't care what player it is.

[will]

I chopped up an entire shallot and mixed it into two avocado this afternoon.

warned.

[Johnny Bball]

It's his money he gambled with. I have zero problem with Brown sitting, or sitting until almost the trade deadline and anyone else playing. He's a bench player and he isn't going to matter at all past that to this team.

Or just waive him at the deadline if you can't generate any interest. But he sure wasn't going to generate any interest playing hurt and like the way he played last year.

On another note, I will never understand players gambling on rehab instead of accepting a very standard surgical procedure. I can't remember when that has ever worked out.

[Los_29]

KO is a player that developing teams love to have. Detroit, Houston and Utah went out and acquired him because they know he provides a good environment for their younger players.

Surprised to see some people disappointed as everything that I’ve read state KO is on a good, team friendly deal. I believe he’s just on a 2 year deal but I could be wrong.

[OAKLEY_2]

Lmao that Siakam trade just looking better day by day. So we don't trade him when we have a chance, we decide to pick up his option, and then he goes and gets surgery right before training camp.

Even if this was all planned out by the FO, the optics of it are horrid.

Please just start Gradey and ride with the results.

I'm honestly just pass this whole thing.

Barnes, IQ, Gradey, RJ, Chomche should be the starting 5, screw it.

LOL.

I'm honestly just pas(t) this whole thing..".

Ya lost me big time on Chomche. Remember somebody, somewhere, who can afford no-shows, pays a King Charles ransom for those platinum chairs. I mean you coulda said let's build around whichever Bruno will sign a two way.

[aminiaturebuddha]

It's his money he gambled with. I have zero problem with Brown sitting, or sitting until almost the trade deadline and anyone else playing. He's a bench player and he isn't going to matter at all past that to this team.

Or just waive him at the deadline if you can't generate any interest. But he sure wasn't going to generate any interest playing hurt and like the way he played last year.

On another note, I will never understand players gambling on rehab instead of accepting a very standard surgical procedure. I can't remember when that has ever worked out.

The thing is, we probably wouldn't hear about it. The vast majority of the time a player is out with an injury they recover with rehab. How many of those players could have had a minor surgery? We don't know because we wouldn't hear about a surgery unless they have it. But it's safe to say that lots of players are able to get back to playing shape by going the rehab option.

And I can certainly understand the thought process. Any surgery, no matter how minor, carries risks.

[Vampirate]

Lmao that Siakam trade just looking better day by day. So we don't trade him when we have a chance, we decide to pick up his option, and then he goes and gets surgery right before training camp.

Even if this was all planned out by the FO, the optics of it are horrid.

Please just start Gradey and ride with the results.

I'm honestly just pass this whole thing.

Barnes, IQ, Gradey, RJ, Chomche should be the starting 5, screw it.

LOL.

I'm honestly just pas(t) this whole thing..".

Ya lost me big time on Chomche. Remember somebody, somewhere, who can afford no-shows, pays a King Charles ransom for those platinum chairs. I mean you coulda said let's build around whichever Bruno will sign a two way.

We aren't winning a damn thing anyways so we might as well see what the extremely mobile 6"10 guy can really do. His calling card was protecting the rim, so let's see it. Of course there's going to be a boatload of mistakes, but again, KO and Poetl aren't apart of our long term plans regardless.

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[OakleyDokely]

[YogurtProducer]

3 weeks was 5-6 weeks ago.

Looking forward to the OPJ treatment all year

[dagger]

3 weeks was 5-6 weeks ago.

Looking forward to the OPJ treatment all year

He was going to be reassessed in three weeks, not cleared to play. The media has to ask for an update.

[pilkoids]

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I appreciate everything Brown is doing to stay relevant and not tarnish his trade value.

[youngRAPZ]

I think I saw or heard somewhere he will be back first week of November.