Does DeRozan deserve to get his jersey retired?

[MoneyMo]

Hell no

Toronto shouldn't strive to be a Mickie mouse franchise. Derozan is a run of the mill all-star. No way his jersey goes up there. We need to have higher standards

[Dr Comeback]

NO.

It's honestly absurd. He is literally one of the worst high value postseason performers, of all time. His playoff career as a raptor is SO BAD. He barely has a league average PER, and was sporting a .500 playoff TS%

He wasn't even an especially great regular season player, he was never a top 10 guy, he was a fringe all-nba guy, and compiled a lot of All star appearance due to the weak eastern conference.

As far as I can tell the only reason to retire his number is compiled a lot of points, and journalists REALLY REALLY like him.


it's honestly crazy. we have to have some standards and self respect. he's a "ring of honour" guy if we had one.
We shouldn't be retiring numbers because he gave really good quotes to journalists and he compiled meaningless points and flamed out in the playoffs every year.

Lakers retired Jamal Wilkes jersey in 2012. In terms of types of players and stats they are very similar. If it wasn't for that trade, he would still be loyal to this city. It wasn't his choice and the way it went down was disrespectful to him. Loyalty can mean a lot sometimes. Wilkes is in the HOF but Demar has an outside chance to get there. So yes he deserves from a very small pool of maybe 4 -5 players.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/demar_derozan_vs_jamaal_wilkes.htm

Jamaal Wilkes, 3 time NBA champion Jamaal Wilkes?

If Demar won 2 chips with the raptors I would change my mind.
but he didn't.


also I find this idea of loyalty totally absurd. Demars first contract extension was considered an overpay. The second contract was probably fine, but its not like he had soooo many suitors. He's a fringe all star guy

it's not "loyalty" if it doesn't cost you anything. Demar was paid handsomely to deliver volume scoring on mediocre efficiency and flame out in the playoffs every year. We don't need to retire his jersey also.

that's what the money was for.

[PANDABREAD]

Demar deserves to be up there cause he made the team watchable for years and he was great to the fans as well. The Raptors culture from the championship year wouldn't be the same if he wasn't with the team because he worked hard to develop himself and allowed the whole team to be on their toes year after year because they were always knocking on the door. Demar isn't just another Raptors player he's a homegrown talent that lifted the team when they desperately needed relevancy.

There were failures, yes, but you can't also deny that he was also faced with on multiple seasons against one of the greatest players in Lebron. But in regards to the Drake situation I understand how he felt betrayed by Demar and I hope they reconcile at some point

[Morris_Shatford]

The criteria around the NBA isn't exactly sky-high for number retirement.

We have been in the league 30 years and we retired our first on Saturday;
The Griz have both Gasol and Z-Bo hanging from the rafters in the same time frame for goodness stake, sometimes the bar is simply you hung around when we were good for a while.

Lowry needs to go first, no question.
However, DeRozan will get there sooner or later.

[MEDIC]

I don't know if he deserves to have his jersey retired, but should we do it? Probably.

The franchise has existed for 30 years. There have been many ups and downs. 30 years is a fairly long time & we need to start recognizing some of the notable players that helped build this place. Guys that gave us notable memories. Guys that felt like one of us.

The only 3 for me are VC, DD & K-Low.

Bosh is a no for me. Siakam just wasn't significant enough in my mind. Kawhi wasn't here long enough.

It would be cool to find a way to honor players without retiring their jerseys. A flag with multiple names or a plaque or something. Guys who were fan favorites or contributed to our success (Kawhi, Siakam, OG, Mo Pete, Gasol, Ibaka, Bosh, Mighty Mouse, etc)

[MavCarter]

Yes in his montage they can play his last moments in a raptors jersey ripping it off because he stunk it up for the 5th year in a row in the playoffs. Maybe they can throw in “If we had lebron we woulda won too”

[Jcity08]

Hell no

Toronto shouldn't strive to be a Mickie mouse franchise. Derozan is a run of the mill all-star. No way his jersey goes up there. We need to have higher standards

Derozan went further in the POs for the Raptors than VC and appears on the Raptors stat leaders in many categories. Theres nothing sacred about getting a jersey retired, I stopped giving an F about it already.

[MEDIC]

Demar deserves to be up there cause he made the team watchable for years and he was great to the fans as well. The Raptors culture from the championship year wouldn't be the same if he wasn't with the team because he worked hard to develop himself and allowed the whole team to be on their toes year after year because they were always knocking on the door. Demar isn't just another Raptors player he's a homegrown talent that lifted the team when they desperately needed relevancy.

There were failures, yes, but you can't also deny that he was also faced with on multiple seasons against one of the greatest players in Lebron. But in regards to the Drake situation I understand how he felt betrayed by Demar and I hope they reconcile at some point

I like this take.

[WiggOuts]

Whether he deserves it or not, its going to happen. In our 30 years of existence there are only 3 people that you could even put in the conversation. Demar is a clear number 3 on that list. He may not have a chip but he has significant accolades on this team.

During the Vince celebration they kept saying how they will celebrate our history more, thats probably a good sign of their intentions

[Jeremy Lin 7]

Yeah let's retire this performance

8 Points, 3/12 FG, 4 Reb, 2 Ast, 28 minutes in pivotal game 3. The day Toronto was renamed LeBronto

Watch on YouTube

[GooniesNeverDie]

In an ideal world he wouldn’t have gone up unless he made the HOF. But the Raptors have been anything but ideal and he was a catalyst for the most successful Raptors period in our young history. He likely will and I can’t argue too much against it.


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[Madvillainy2004]

Hell no

Toronto shouldn't strive to be a Mickie mouse franchise. Derozan is a run of the mill all-star. No way his jersey goes up there. We need to have higher standards

Derozan went further in the POs for the Raptors than VC and appears on the Raptors stat leaders in many categories. Theres nothing sacred about getting a jersey retired, I stopped giving an F about it already.

Dan Marino didn't even play basketball and has his number retired lmao it's not like we're handing them out it'd be just Lowry/DeMar/VC and maybe Kawhi/Siakam.

[Clutch0z24]

He is the Raptors all time points leader and had a long run as a main player with multiple winning seasons and a few decent playoff runs....You can't deny him that because he never won a ring here or because a rapper who has nothing to do with Basketball dislikes him now over a rap beef...

He deserves something for his career with us same with Lowry

[Badonkadonk]

I think this thread needs some perspective.

Demar doesn't just lead the Raps in all time points by about 3K over the GROAT, nor is he all over a bunch of the other categories in the top 5, he's also climbing the NBA All Time ladders.

Currently, he's 30th all time in points with about 23.7K, just ahead of Steph who is missing more and more games as he gets older.

Demar has scored over 1,800 points the past two seasons. If he reaches just 1,500 in each of the next two, he will pass: Charles, AI, Ewing, Jerry West, Reggie, Alex English and... Vince Carter at #21 overall, with 25,728. There are some other big names well within reach, like KG, Pierce, Duncan and Nique.

His game is aging nicely. He also happens to be in the top 100 assists (he'll be over 5,000 for boards and assists relatively soon). With some longevity, he can really put up some gaudy career numbers.

I honestly think it's a pretty safe bet his jersey goes up after Kyle.

If ppl are interested in browsing some lists:
https://www.nba.com/stats/alltime-leaders?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=PTS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_career.html

[bonjovi0308]

I'm ok to retire Demar's jersey if we can retire Kawhi's first

[Dr Comeback]

I think this thread needs some perspective.

Demar doesn't just lead the Raps in all time points by about 3K over the GROAT, nor is he all over a bunch of the other categories in the top 5, he's also climbing the NBA All Time ladders.

Currently, he's 30th all time in points with about 23.7K, just ahead of Steph who is missing more and more games as he gets older.

Demar has scored over 1,800 points the past two seasons. If he reaches just 1,500 in each of the next two, he will pass: Charles, AI, Ewing, Jerry West, Reggie, Alex English and... Vince Carter at #21 overall, with 25,728. There are some other big names well within reach, like KG, Pierce, Duncan and Nique.

His game is aging nicely. He also happens to be in the top 100 assists (he'll be over 5,000 for boards and assists relatively soon). With some longevity, he can really put up some gaudy career numbers.

I honestly think it's a pretty safe bet his jersey goes up after Kyle.

If ppl are interested in browsing some lists:
https://www.nba.com/stats/alltime-leaders?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=PTS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_career.html

I just couldn't care less, we have to mature beyond the "yay points" mode of basketball analysis.

Demar worked hard and became a much better player after he left Toronto.

But when he was with us he just wasn't a winning player for most of the years,
and the last few years that he was a positive player. he was a horrible playoff player.

I literally couldn't care less where he finishes on the all time points list, I don't care who he passes. This is the offense friendliest environment in league history. Lots of people will pass great players in all time scoring lists.


It doesn't mean we have to debase ourselves and retire the number of a quite frankly pretty overrated player (when he was with the raptors. )

[kalel123]

Hell no

Toronto shouldn't strive to be a Mickie mouse franchise. Derozan is a run of the mill all-star. No way his jersey goes up there. We need to have higher standards

They've already lowered their standards by retiring Vince Carter. DeRozan did a lot more for this franchise.

[PANDABREAD]

I think this thread needs some perspective.

Demar doesn't just lead the Raps in all time points by about 3K over the GROAT, nor is he all over a bunch of the other categories in the top 5, he's also climbing the NBA All Time ladders.

Currently, he's 30th all time in points with about 23.7K, just ahead of Steph who is missing more and more games as he gets older.

Demar has scored over 1,800 points the past two seasons. If he reaches just 1,500 in each of the next two, he will pass: Charles, AI, Ewing, Jerry West, Reggie, Alex English and... Vince Carter at #21 overall, with 25,728. There are some other big names well within reach, like KG, Pierce, Duncan and Nique.

His game is aging nicely. He also happens to be in the top 100 assists (he'll be over 5,000 for boards and assists relatively soon). With some longevity, he can really put up some gaudy career numbers.

I honestly think it's a pretty safe bet his jersey goes up after Kyle.

If ppl are interested in browsing some lists:
https://www.nba.com/stats/alltime-leaders?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=PTS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_career.html

I just couldn't care less, we have to mature beyond the "yay points" mode of basketball analysis.

Demar worked hard and became a much better player after he left Toronto.

But when he was with us he just wasn't a winning player for most of the years,
and the last few years that he was a positive player. he was a horrible playoff player.

I literally couldn't care less where he finishes on the all time points list, I don't care who he passes. This is the offense friendliest environment in league history. Lots of people will pass great players in all time scoring lists.


It doesn't mean we have to debase ourselves and retire the number of a quite frankly pretty overrated player (when he was with the raptors. )

I don't think he is overrated, in fact he was constantly (and still is) criticized for his mid range game but his year after year development still contributed to the Raptors' regular season success which then resulted to the team having a good business case and possibly profit to be able to establish Raptors 905, which then developed and provided playing time to the young players that eventually became some of the important players in the championship run. The success of the team could also be one of the reasons why we got our very first Toronto All Star weekend. Everything could be happy coincidence or it could be butterfly effect but we can't deny that there is a high chance that the team can certainly be an insignificant hot garbage franchise after Bosh left.

I's not by any means a reason to retire his jersey but I think it's cool that the number 10 on his jersey represents his hometown so that is at least something that has some meaning and sentiment around it and not just a random number.

[tsherkin]

Feels appropriate to me. 4-time AS with us, couple All-NBA teams, big part of the most successful run this franchise has had in terms of making the playoffs. Key part of three straight seasons leaving the first round and our first ECF appearance.

Not all jersey retirements are about being an ATG player, but about term of service and contribution to the franchise. I'd be okay with his jersey in the rafters.