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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#41 » by Indeed » Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:55 pm

Tripod wrote:
Indeed wrote:In terms of capable contributing on an average team
Battle: A (rotation player - 7th man)
- Shooting the 3s very well. His ceiling would be low without ball handling and defense, but already a useful rotation
Walter: C (end of bench player - 11th man)
- Lack of confidence who can probably score some mid range (maybe Darko says no to mid range outside of Barnes?), defense is still adjusting to the NBA
Mogbo: C (end of bench player - 12th man)
- Lack of finishing at rim (eg. using glass), still need more time to improve his 3s, defense is still adjusting to the NBA
Shead: B (backup player - 8th man)
- Has the quickness to get to the rim, still need more time to improve his 3s, defense is still adjusting to the NBA, but closer than Walter and Mogbo
Chomche: E (G League player - 2 more years)

Not sure how you could watch and say Shead can be a backup player, an 8th guy, but Walter only he an end of bench guy, an 11th guy.

That's crazy talk.


Walter only started shooting well on the last few games, and he is not shown much on ball creation. Meanwhile, Shead has his quickness in getting by his defender with some change of speed.
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#42 » by Tripod » Thu Dec 26, 2024 6:25 pm

Indeed wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Indeed wrote:In terms of capable contributing on an average team
Battle: A (rotation player - 7th man)
- Shooting the 3s very well. His ceiling would be low without ball handling and defense, but already a useful rotation
Walter: C (end of bench player - 11th man)
- Lack of confidence who can probably score some mid range (maybe Darko says no to mid range outside of Barnes?), defense is still adjusting to the NBA
Mogbo: C (end of bench player - 12th man)
- Lack of finishing at rim (eg. using glass), still need more time to improve his 3s, defense is still adjusting to the NBA
Shead: B (backup player - 8th man)
- Has the quickness to get to the rim, still need more time to improve his 3s, defense is still adjusting to the NBA, but closer than Walter and Mogbo
Chomche: E (G League player - 2 more years)

Not sure how you could watch and say Shead can be a backup player, an 8th guy, but Walter only he an end of bench guy, an 11th guy.

That's crazy talk.


Walter only started shooting well on the last few games, and he is not shown much on ball creation. Meanwhile, Shead has his quickness in getting by his defender with some change of speed.

You are entitled to your opinion. I think any GM would take Walter over Shead and it's not close.
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#43 » by ConSarnit » Thu Dec 26, 2024 6:36 pm

I for one am still really broken up that we didn’t have the chance to draft Isaiah Collier as many here were clamoring for.
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#44 » by Scase » Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:19 pm

Battle : A
Any time you can get a contributor with an UDFA, that's a win.

JKW : N/A
Not enough data to give a grade, his defence looks god for a rookie, but his shooting splits are horrific. Nothing to be gleaned from his limited sample size, promising, but much like Gradey last year he needs time to cook.

Mogbo : B+
Some solid instincts and promise being shown, I've been high on him since day 1, so this is nice to see, but he really needs to figure out his scoring around the basket.

Shead : B-
He is what he was expected to be, will be a decent backup, but without a reliable shot, there's 0 chance he becomes anything more.

Chomche : N/A

Not worth discussing until he plays actual minutes.

Masai's strengths have always been drafting, we need to get back to that and let him continue to cook.
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#45 » by Indeed » Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:09 pm

Tripod wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Tripod wrote:Not sure how you could watch and say Shead can be a backup player, an 8th guy, but Walter only he an end of bench guy, an 11th guy.

That's crazy talk.


Walter only started shooting well on the last few games, and he is not shown much on ball creation. Meanwhile, Shead has his quickness in getting by his defender with some change of speed.

You are entitled to your opinion. I think any GM would take Walter over Shead and it's not close.


Did you even read my rating about contributing right now? Nope?
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#46 » by Tripod » Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:35 pm

Indeed wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Walter only started shooting well on the last few games, and he is not shown much on ball creation. Meanwhile, Shead has his quickness in getting by his defender with some change of speed.

You are entitled to your opinion. I think any GM would take Walter over Shead and it's not close.


Did you even read my rating about contributing right now? Nope?

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Shead 8th guy...a backup
Walter 11th guy...end of bench

That's foolish
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#47 » by Indeed » Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:54 pm

Tripod wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Tripod wrote:You are entitled to your opinion. I think any GM would take Walter over Shead and it's not close.


Did you even read my rating about contributing right now? Nope?

Yes.

Shead 8th guy...a backup
Walter 11th guy...end of bench

That's foolish


Why is it foolish? Any explanation? Because someone with can shoot 28% from 3s deserves to be in the rotation?
Or you hate Shead who is more NBA ready?
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#48 » by Tripod » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:00 am

Indeed wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Did you even read my rating about contributing right now? Nope?

Yes.

Shead 8th guy...a backup
Walter 11th guy...end of bench

That's foolish


Why is it foolish? Any explanation? Because someone with can shoot 28% from 3s deserves to be in the rotation?
Or you hate Shead who is more NBA ready?

It shouldn't need any explanation...lol.
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#49 » by Van_Trump » Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:11 pm

Are we rating the rookies' performance, or their relative performance based on their draft order?
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#50 » by Appostis » Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:22 am

Where would Ja'Kobe fall in a redraft so far? Top 10?
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#51 » by Potential » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:04 pm

Wow I didn't see that post from Chomche. We should add him to any trade package
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#52 » by bonjovi0308 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:21 am

I'm actually surprised how little jakobe, shead, mogbo and battle play in the 905 this season. They should play every game in 905 (where they can focus on their weakness) and NBA available.
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Re: Rate rookies thus far 

Post#53 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:16 am

HumbleRen wrote:Chomche gets a F for this alone.

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