2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[raptorforlife88]

The Grizzlies are one of the teams where it does make sense for the Raptors to step in as the third team. There's no way we would get Aldama though, he's been fantastic for them this year.

Raptors Acquire:

Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)
Smart (2-20)
Laravia (1-3.3)
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Memphis Acquire:

Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Brown - (1-23)
Boucher - (1-10.8)
Kennard - (1.9.2)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

Memphis has a little bit of draft capital to play around and make this deal work out. They're not giving up anyone too valuable relative to Butler, and Love can eat some of those Clarke/Laravia minutes. They still would have some picks to replace some of those minutes as well.

The Raptors take on quite a bit of long term money to get that first round pick in 2027. Clarke is a reasonable contract for a solid backup PF though. Maybe Smart is tradeable as cap ballast next year. Laravia has had a nice year.

Heat get draft capital and a bunch of expirings. Maybe they need more draft capital for this to work, but they're in a worse position than the Raptors were last year with Siakam. Siakam was going to sign that extension in Indiana, and was much younger. Butler is older and will go wherever the money is next year.

[ontnut]

To Miami: Lavine, Nnaji, DEN 2031 1st
To Nuggets: Butler, Craig
To Chicago: MPJ, Daron Holmes.

2nds to balance. Shuffling of the wing players...who says no?

[ontnut]

The Grizzlies are one of the teams where it does make sense for the Raptors to step in as the third team. There's no way we would get Aldama though, he's been fantastic for them this year.

Raptors Acquire:

Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)
Smart (2-20)
Laravia (1-3.3)
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Memphis Acquire:

Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Brown - (1-23)
Boucher - (1-10.8)
Kennard - (1.9.2)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

Memphis has a little bit of draft capital to play around and make this deal work out. They're not giving up anyone too valuable relative to Butler, and Love can eat some of those Clarke/Laravia minutes. They still would have some picks to replace some of those minutes as well.

The Raptors take on quite a bit of long term money to get that first round pick in 2027. Clarke is a reasonable contract for a solid backup PF though. Maybe Smart is tradeable as cap ballast next year. Laravia has had a nice year.

Heat get draft capital and a bunch of expirings. Maybe they need more draft capital for this to work, but they're in a worse position than the Raptors were last year with Siakam. Siakam was going to sign that extension in Indiana, and was much younger. Butler is older and will go wherever the money is next year.

Heat balk. Riley's not giving Jimmy away for peanuts simply based on the optics of "losing" to Jimmy's demands. He'll sit him out all year and force a S&T if anything in the offseason. It's clear Jimmy wants A) to get paid and B) on a team that has a chance at HCA. There are very few realistic scenarios that can happen without a S&T, so Riley does hold some leverage here.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Hypothetical:

Would you trade RJ/Dick/BB for BI/Herb Jones and Robinson-Earl?

The thought being that we will be likely drafting a guard/wing who may cannibalize Dick's minutes anyway, we need a POA defender (herb) and BI theoretically fits better with the starting unit at the 3. We can also afford to have him rehab away from the team the rest of the year to not affect the tank and give Herb a starting look

Downside is having to negotiate the next BI contract but I think theoretically it would be around what Scottie is set to get next year as well and heavily incentive based. With RJ, BB, Boucher off the books, somewhere around 38 million base with incentives that gets it up to ~42 million might work. People might scoff at losing Dick here but I really still like Herb as a high level defensive rotation player and this clarifies the rotation a bit

2025 Roster
IQ/Shead
Walter/Ochai/2025 FRP
Ingram/Herb Jones/Battle
Scottie/Mogbo/2025 SRP
Poeltl/Kelly/Chomche

If we get a chance to get Bailey, Harper, Kasparas, or Tre they can easily slot into the 2 spot ahead of Walter
If we get Flagg we can move IQ to the "2" and Scottie to the "1" and run lineups with Scottie/IQ/BI/Flagg/Poeltl

[Psubs]

The Grizzlies are one of the teams where it does make sense for the Raptors to step in as the third team. There's no way we would get Aldama though, he's been fantastic for them this year.

Raptors Acquire:

Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)
Smart (2-20)
Laravia (1-3.3)
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Memphis Acquire:

Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Brown - (1-23)
Boucher - (1-10.8)
Kennard - (1.9.2)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

Memphis has a little bit of draft capital to play around and make this deal work out. They're not giving up anyone too valuable relative to Butler, and Love can eat some of those Clarke/Laravia minutes. They still would have some picks to replace some of those minutes as well.

The Raptors take on quite a bit of long term money to get that first round pick in 2027. Clarke is a reasonable contract for a solid backup PF though. Maybe Smart is tradeable as cap ballast next year. Laravia has had a nice year.

Heat get draft capital and a bunch of expirings. Maybe they need more draft capital for this to work, but they're in a worse position than the Raptors were last year with Siakam. Siakam was going to sign that extension in Indiana, and was much younger. Butler is older and will go wherever the money is next year.

I posted something similar. Memphis would keep Laravia.

Memphis Acquire:
Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Smart (2-20)
Kennard - (1.9.2)
Boucher - (1-10.8)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Raptors Acquire:
Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)

Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

[Psubs]

Hypothetical:

Would you trade RJ/Dick/BB for BI/Herb Jones and Robinson-Earl?

The thought being that we will be likely drafting a guard/wing who may cannibalize Dick's minutes anyway, we need a POA defender (herb) and BI theoretically fits better with the starting unit at the 3. We can also afford to have him rehab away from the team the rest of the year to not affect the tank and give Herb a starting look

Downside is having to negotiate the next BI contract but I think theoretically it would be around what Scottie is set to get next year as well and heavily incentive based. With RJ, BB, Boucher off the books, somewhere around 38 million base with incentives that gets it up to ~42 million might work. People might scoff at losing Dick here but I really still like Herb as a high level defensive rotation player and this clarifies the rotation a bit

2025 Roster
IQ/Shead
Walter/Ochai/2025 FRP
Ingram/Herb Jones/Battle
Scottie/Mogbo/2025 SRP
Poeltl/Kelly/Chomche

If we get a chance to get Bailey, Harper, Kasparas, or Tre they can easily slot into the 2 spot ahead of Walter
If we get Flagg we can move IQ to the "2" and Scottie to the "1" and run lineups with Scottie/IQ/BI/Flagg/Poeltl

Do not want to overpay Brandon Ingram when he gets hurt a lot and probably wanting over $40 million. RJ is under a decent contract. BI with a new contract would be worse, like FVV making $40 million. Heck, Sacramento doesn't want to pay Max money to Fox.

[Kingsway_fan]

The Grizzlies are one of the teams where it does make sense for the Raptors to step in as the third team. There's no way we would get Aldama though, he's been fantastic for them this year.

Raptors Acquire:

Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)
Smart (2-20)
Laravia (1-3.3)
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Memphis Acquire:

Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Brown - (1-23)
Boucher - (1-10.8)
Kennard - (1.9.2)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

Memphis has a little bit of draft capital to play around and make this deal work out. They're not giving up anyone too valuable relative to Butler, and Love can eat some of those Clarke/Laravia minutes. They still would have some picks to replace some of those minutes as well.

The Raptors take on quite a bit of long term money to get that first round pick in 2027. Clarke is a reasonable contract for a solid backup PF though. Maybe Smart is tradeable as cap ballast next year. Laravia has had a nice year.

Heat get draft capital and a bunch of expirings. Maybe they need more draft capital for this to work, but they're in a worse position than the Raptors were last year with Siakam. Siakam was going to sign that extension in Indiana, and was much younger. Butler is older and will go wherever the money is next year.

Heat balk. Riley's not giving Jimmy away for peanuts simply based on the optics of "losing" to Jimmy's demands. He'll sit him out all year and force a S&T if anything in the offseason. It's clear Jimmy wants A) to get paid and B) on a team that has a chance at HCA. There are very few realistic scenarios that can happen without a S&T, so Riley does hold some leverage here.

No one is offering much for a disgruntled 35 year old... lol Riley getting .20 on the dollar

[ontnut]

The Grizzlies are one of the teams where it does make sense for the Raptors to step in as the third team. There's no way we would get Aldama though, he's been fantastic for them this year.

Raptors Acquire:

Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)
Smart (2-20)
Laravia (1-3.3)
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Memphis Acquire:

Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Brown - (1-23)
Boucher - (1-10.8)
Kennard - (1.9.2)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

Memphis has a little bit of draft capital to play around and make this deal work out. They're not giving up anyone too valuable relative to Butler, and Love can eat some of those Clarke/Laravia minutes. They still would have some picks to replace some of those minutes as well.

The Raptors take on quite a bit of long term money to get that first round pick in 2027. Clarke is a reasonable contract for a solid backup PF though. Maybe Smart is tradeable as cap ballast next year. Laravia has had a nice year.

Heat get draft capital and a bunch of expirings. Maybe they need more draft capital for this to work, but they're in a worse position than the Raptors were last year with Siakam. Siakam was going to sign that extension in Indiana, and was much younger. Butler is older and will go wherever the money is next year.

Heat balk. Riley's not giving Jimmy away for peanuts simply based on the optics of "losing" to Jimmy's demands. He'll sit him out all year and force a S&T if anything in the offseason. It's clear Jimmy wants A) to get paid and B) on a team that has a chance at HCA. There are very few realistic scenarios that can happen without a S&T, so Riley does hold some leverage here.

No one is offering much for a disgruntled 35 year old... lol Riley getting .20 on the dollar

Yeah that's why I'm thinking they'll wait til the offseason. Some teams might get more desperate after flaming out (*cough* Warriors). I could also see a team like IND step up with something, it's clear they're not the team they thought they were and they might as well go all-in since they already have Siakam locked up with Hali.

[YogurtProducer]

Heat balk. Riley's not giving Jimmy away for peanuts simply based on the optics of "losing" to Jimmy's demands. He'll sit him out all year and force a S&T if anything in the offseason. It's clear Jimmy wants A) to get paid and B) on a team that has a chance at HCA. There are very few realistic scenarios that can happen without a S&T, so Riley does hold some leverage here.

No one is offering much for a disgruntled 35 year old... lol Riley getting .20 on the dollar

Yeah that's why I'm thinking they'll wait til the offseason. Some teams might get more desperate after flaming out (*cough* Warriors). I could also see a team like IND step up with something, it's clear they're not the team they thought they were and they might as well go all-in since they already have Siakam locked up with Hali.

IDK why they would wait to the off-season to end up with a similar or possibly worse package (what if Jimmy gets hurt and opts in or something and they get less?).

[dagger]

The Grizzlies are one of the teams where it does make sense for the Raptors to step in as the third team. There's no way we would get Aldama though, he's been fantastic for them this year.

Raptors Acquire:

Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)
Smart (2-20)
Laravia (1-3.3)
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Memphis Acquire:

Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Brown - (1-23)
Boucher - (1-10.8)
Kennard - (1.9.2)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick


The Raptors take on quite a bit of long term money to get that first round pick in 2027. Clarke is a reasonable contract for a solid backup PF though. Maybe Smart is tradeable as cap ballast next year. Laravia has had a nice year.

I'm pretty sure that once you factor in a $12 million allowance for current 2025 draft picks, you risk putting the Raptors well into the tax for next season even if LaRavia - a UFA - walks this summer in free agency. That probably includes scenarios where the Raptors 2025 FRP is as low as 6th or 7th after the lottery.

[raptorforlife88]

I'm pretty sure that once you factor in a $12 million allowance for current 2025 draft picks, you risk putting the Raptors well into the tax for next season even if LaRavia - a UFA - walks this summer in free agency. That probably includes scenarios where the Raptors 2025 FRP is as low as 6th or 7th after the lottery.

Ah that's fair. Yeah there's extensions kicking in along with the addition of Smarts money. I think if you route Smart to Miami instead and route Konchar to Toronto you can play around with it and make it work, but that would obviously cut down on the draft capital coming to us and increase the draft capital Miami would need.

With the deal I proposed I think if you manage to offload Olynyk (and a second) for an expiring it might not be quite as bad?

[raptorforlife88]

I posted something similar. Memphis would keep Laravia.

Memphis Acquire:
Butler (1-48.7)
Kevin Love (2-3.8)

Heat Acquire:

Smart (2-20)
Kennard - (1.9.2)
Boucher - (1-10.8)

Memphis 2025 1st round pick
Memphis 2027 1st round pick

Raptors Acquire:
Brandon Clarke (3-12.5)

Clippers 2026 2nd round pick
Atlanta 2027 2nd round pick

I don't think this works financially? I think Memphis has to send us Konchar in this deal for the money to work.

[Morris_Shatford]

Hypothetical:

Would you trade RJ/Dick/BB for BI/Herb Jones and Robinson-Earl?

I like BI and I like Herb,
The issue is Ingram turned down 50m a season from the Pelicans and 40m ish this most recent off-season according to Shams.

I don't want to be the team that ends up giving BI a contract that is significantly more to that of what RJ is locked up for over the next few seasons. Ingram isn't going to come deeply discounted this summer injuries or not.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Hypothetical:

Would you trade RJ/Dick/BB for BI/Herb Jones and Robinson-Earl?

I like BI and I like Herb,
The issue is Ingram turned down 50m a season from the Pelicans and 40m ish this most recent off-season according to Shams.

I don't want to be the team that ends up giving BI a contract that is significantly more to that of what RJ is locked up for over the next few seasons. Ingram isn't going to come deeply discounted this summer injuries or not.

Yeah trade only would get done if BI agrees to either a lower AAV long deal or a ballooned FVV deal like a 140 2+1 where the last 2 years are only partially guaranteed based on games played, all star appearance, Raps make conf finals etc

I really want Herb primarily but BI at his peak would be a good fit here. We lack a great isolation scorer at the moment and for as great as RJ has become, he isn't that either.

Given the market and him being on a down year, I doubt he'd hold out looking for a 50+ million dollar deal. Damn near every team that has one is hating that choice at the moment except like 2 cases

[Ell Curry]

I'm pretty sure that once you factor in a $12 million allowance for current 2025 draft picks, you risk putting the Raptors well into the tax for next season even if LaRavia - a UFA - walks this summer in free agency. That probably includes scenarios where the Raptors 2025 FRP is as low as 6th or 7th after the lottery.

Yeah. We should pin something that breaks down the off-season situation. Basically we have 37M in space under the tax and then presumably:

-Chomche and Battle get minimums or close to (3.6M)
-TOR 1st (6-13M, varies wildly based on pick) and PDX 2nd (cheap, like 1.8M maybe?)

and then we've got like 18-25M in space to spend on a couple different options, depending on where we pick:

-Take on 15-20M in bad money, presumably via a deadline trade. Gabe Vincent, Jevon Carter, Cole Anthony, those types of things.

-Use the non-tax MLE (Alexander-Walker, Portis, Nance Jr, Aldama (MEM probably can afford to match, but maybe they make a deadline move)

And if we move Olynyk for an expiring, we can take on a 30M+ deal for say Bruce Brown + Boucher's expiring (Ayton if Portland would give us a pick, for instance).

[dagger]

-Chomche and Battle get minimums or close to (3.6M)

The first overall pick, I believe, is around $10.5m. Battle yes, Chomche no because he's on a two-year two way deal, no need to upgrade him to a regular contract until he is worth it.

[douggood]

-Chomche and Battle get minimums or close to (3.6M)

The first overall pick, I believe, is around $10.5m. Battle yes, Chomche no because he's on a two-year two way deal, no need to upgrade him to a regular contract until he is worth it.

with the standard 120% rookie deal, 1st round pick next year will be almost 13.5, 10th pick apx 6 mil.

[raptorforlife88]

And if we move Olynyk for an expiring, we can take on a 30M+ deal for say Bruce Brown + Boucher's expiring (Ayton if Portland would give us a pick, for instance).

Moving parts there, but sounds like shifting off Olynyk's money would let us take on Smart/Brandon Clarke package to facilitate a Butler to Memphis move.

[causal_fan]

And if we move Olynyk for an expiring, we can take on a 30M+ deal for say Bruce Brown + Boucher's expiring (Ayton if Portland would give us a pick, for instance).

Moving parts there, but sounds like shifting off Olynyk's money would let us take on Smart/Brandon Clarke package to facilitate a Butler to Memphis move.

Memphis is a smart organization - They are not paying Jimmy Butler.