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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#221 » by Raptaurus » Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:43 am

Brinbe wrote:Don't blame anyone for crashing out based on the FO's recent history. We're seemingly told that we're in this to contend for championship banners not play-in participation trophies but there's reason to doubt now.

Personally, I'm not liking that the current winning is being driven in large part by these motivated vets playing for their future contracts, but I'm willing to see this through to the deadline as hopefully they're just being showcased. But again, not everyone will give Masai and Co. the benefit of the doubt after Thad and Yak.

We'll see how things look after next Thursday.


I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#222 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:54 am

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Brinbe wrote:Don't blame anyone for crashing out based on the FO's recent history. We're seemingly told that we're in this to contend for championship banners not play-in participation trophies but there's reason to doubt now.

Personally, I'm not liking that the current winning is being driven in large part by these motivated vets playing for their future contracts, but I'm willing to see this through to the deadline as hopefully they're just being showcased. But again, not everyone will give Masai and Co. the benefit of the doubt after Thad and Yak.

We'll see how things look after next Thursday.


I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Agreed. Which means Masai is not committed to the tank (commit by playing more Walter and Mogbo) during this 6 W out of 7 games stretch - very bad sign for rest of this season as March is incredibly weak opposition
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#223 » by Raptaurus » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:13 am

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Brinbe wrote:Don't blame anyone for crashing out based on the FO's recent history. We're seemingly told that we're in this to contend for championship banners not play-in participation trophies but there's reason to doubt now.

Personally, I'm not liking that the current winning is being driven in large part by these motivated vets playing for their future contracts, but I'm willing to see this through to the deadline as hopefully they're just being showcased. But again, not everyone will give Masai and Co. the benefit of the doubt after Thad and Yak.

We'll see how things look after next Thursday.


I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Agreed. Which means Masai is not committed to the tank (commit by playing more Walter and Mogbo) during this 6 W out of 7 games stretch - very bad sign for rest of this season as March is incredibly weak opposition


I would much rather see the rest of the season focused on their development than feeding so many minutes to guys who dont figure at all in the team’s long term plans.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#224 » by Tripod » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:20 am

Raptaurus wrote:
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I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Agreed. Which means Masai is not committed to the tank (commit by playing more Walter and Mogbo) during this 6 W out of 7 games stretch - very bad sign for rest of this season as March is incredibly weak opposition


I would much rather see the rest of the season focused on their development than feeding so many minutes to guys who dont figure at all in the team’s long term plans.

Mogbo is developing in the 905. Walter played tonight and was bad. He should be down there too...but 3 rotation guys were out and we were on the road.

We played 2 rookies and a 10 day over 65 minutes tonight while 3 rookies played for 905.

This is development, just not the one you want.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#225 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:24 am

Tripod wrote:
Raptaurus wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
Agreed. Which means Masai is not committed to the tank (commit by playing more Walter and Mogbo) during this 6 W out of 7 games stretch - very bad sign for rest of this season as March is incredibly weak opposition


I would much rather see the rest of the season focused on their development than feeding so many minutes to guys who dont figure at all in the team’s long term plans.

Mogbo is developing in the 905. Walter played tonight and was bad. He should be down there too...but 3 rotation guys were out and we were on the road.

We played 2 rookies and a 10 day over 65 minutes tonight while 3 rookies played for 905.

This is development, just not the one you want.

6 players (Barnes, Davion, Agbaji, Shead, Walter, Robinson) are still on their rookie contract and played tonight. RJ is only 24.

People are up in arms because Boucher played 15 mins and Brown 19 (less than any of those 6). Make it make sense.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#226 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:25 am

This season is a perfect illustration of reactive vs proactive management. A weakness shown by this reactive front office since the championship.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#227 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:27 am

Raptaurus wrote:
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Raptaurus wrote:
I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Agreed. Which means Masai is not committed to the tank (commit by playing more Walter and Mogbo) during this 6 W out of 7 games stretch - very bad sign for rest of this season as March is incredibly weak opposition


I would much rather see the rest of the season focused on their development than feeding so many minutes to guys who dont figure at all in the team’s long term plans.


Maybe in an attempt to be relevant, Masai will re-sign Bruce Brown, and maybe even Chris Boucher for next season and beyond.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#228 » by Tripod » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:29 am

ItsDanger wrote:This season is a perfect illustration of reactive vs proactive management. A weakness shown by this reactive front office since the championship.

Do you even believe the BS you spew?
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Post#229 » by Tripod » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:32 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Raptaurus wrote:
I would much rather see the rest of the season focused on their development than feeding so many minutes to guys who dont figure at all in the team’s long term plans.

Mogbo is developing in the 905. Walter played tonight and was bad. He should be down there too...but 3 rotation guys were out and we were on the road.

We played 2 rookies and a 10 day over 65 minutes tonight while 3 rookies played for 905.

This is development, just not the one you want.

6 players (Barnes, Davion, Agbaji, Shead, Walter, Robinson) are still on their rookie contract and played tonight. RJ is only 24.

People are up in arms because Boucher played 15 mins and Brown 19 (less than any of those 6). Make it make sense.

Yeah apparently playing 3 out of 10 guys over the age of 26 is playing all the vets too much.
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Post#230 » by ill-Will03 » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:39 am

Masai is an idiot. He should have sat everyone so we won’t have enough players to play and we have to forfeit. He just doesn’t want it bad enough.

Our whole season is over because we won 5 in a row.
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Post#231 » by Slade3 » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:41 am

Los_29 wrote:A Steelo thread was not on my Bingo card. Pooh and Steelo were a good 2-man team for awhile. Caris Levert’s biggest fans.

Didn’t read his post but I will say, I’m starting to sweat a bit. This team needs to get back to its losing ways or this would be a disappointing year.


Ah but what if we make the play in, make the playoffs and win the championship. Would it still be a disappointing year?
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Post#232 » by Potential » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:52 am

We need to find a way to get the 3rd overall pick and the best player in the 2024 draft, Reed Sheppard, who is rotting away behind 13 guards in Houston. A future star and hall of fame caliber player.
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Post#233 » by dTox » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:57 am

He has been objectively mediocre over the past 3-4 years, but I wouldn't say he's not trying to tank or rebuild this season. He has taken that direction this year, finally.
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Post#234 » by UnderdogRaptors » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:19 am

Ace Bailey is nice bois but I'm teamtreadmill here
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Post#235 » by ArthurVandelay » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:18 am

Ace Bailey is perfect for this team.

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Post#236 » by Merit » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:59 am

Slade3 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:A Steelo thread was not on my Bingo card. Pooh and Steelo were a good 2-man team for awhile. Caris Levert’s biggest fans.

Didn’t read his post but I will say, I’m starting to sweat a bit. This team needs to get back to its losing ways or this would be a disappointing year.


Ah but what if we make the play in, make the playoffs and win the championship. Would it still be a disappointing year?


Even if we thread the needle this way they’ll find something to hate because that’s just how it goes.

Now if we did all of the above and got 1st overall I would sincerely hope nobody would have anything to say.
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Post#237 » by MEDIC » Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:40 pm

Raptaurus wrote:
I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Yeah.....this whole showcasing the vets doesn't make a lot of sense anymore. Dropping significantly in the draft order isn't worth a few second rounders.

My thoughts:

1. They are loosening the reigns a bit. See how the team does leading up to the deadline. Allowing the young core to play hard and have some success (I don't think they expected the team to go 7-1). Go back to "developing the rookies" after the deadline & allow the chips to fall where they may (knowing ther will be some ups and downs).

OR

2. They are looking all options such as trading for young talent. If they don't think they can seriously contend for a top 5 pick, then they have to look at other ways to secure talent to play with Scottie.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#238 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:47 pm

MEDIC wrote:
Raptaurus wrote:
I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Yeah.....this whole showcasing the vets doesn't make a lot of sense anymore. Dropping significantly in the draft order isn't worth a few second rounders.

My thoughts:

1. They are loosening the reigns a bit. See how the team does leading up to the deadline. Allowing the young core to play hard and have some success (I don't think they expected the team to go 7-1). Go back to "developing the rookies" after the deadline & allow the chips to fall where they may (knowing ther will be some ups and downs).

OR

2. They are looking all options such as trading for young talent. If they don't think they can seriously contend for a top 5 pick, then they have to look at other ways to secure talent to play with Scottie.


After the Chicago game they'll go on a significant slide, because the schedule gets tougher. Then they'll probably win some games again, depending on health.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#239 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:17 pm

MEDIC wrote:
Raptaurus wrote:
I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team? We are supposedly showcasing guys like Boucher, Brown, and a guy who is on a new team every 2 years (Olynik). We have been trying to trade Boucher and Brown specifically for a while now. None of these guys is fetching anything of significant value. At most, we may get some late 2nd round picks. Just dont think this type of return justifies potentially altering the very course and goals of the season.


Yeah.....this whole showcasing the vets doesn't make a lot of sense anymore. Dropping significantly in the draft order isn't worth a few second rounders.

My thoughts:

1. They are loosening the reigns a bit. See how the team does leading up to the deadline. Allowing the young core to play hard and have some success (I don't think they expected the team to go 7-1). Go back to "developing the rookies" after the deadline & allow the chips to fall where they may (knowing ther will be some ups and downs).

OR

2. They are looking all options such as trading for young talent. If they don't think they can seriously contend for a top 5 pick, then they have to look at other ways to secure talent to play with Scottie.
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Re: Masai has lost the plot 

Post#240 » by tsherkin » Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:43 pm

Raptaurus wrote:I mean is the trade deadline really that big of a deal for this team?


I think what many are looking for is some indication of what management is planning on doing. The deadline, regardless of specific returns, should be a pretty strong indication of what it is we intend to do with the remainder of the season, I would think.

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