Forget Spurs North - Could Raps Follow the 20-21 Bucks Model?

[junot111]

I see it too. This recent stretch shows that if we were healthy we’re probably a near 50 win team.

Barnes < Giannis
RJ > Middleton
IQ = Jrue
Poeltl > Lopez

And our depth looks better. I think next year we make the 2nd round and then after that probably the finals.

[ontnut]

That Bucks team had one of the best defenses of ALL TIME. How's our defence this year?

We're the #1 defense in the NBA in the last 7 games. The OP is onto something.

I smell a play-in push.

lol. against half g-league teams.

[Scase]

I see it too. This recent stretch shows that if we were healthy we’re probably a near 50 win team.

Barnes < Giannis
RJ > Middleton
IQ = Jrue
Poeltl > Lopez

And our depth looks better. I think next year we make the 2nd round and then after that probably the finals.

I read this at first, and wanted to slam my head into the wall, until I saw your sig lol.

The only squinting that will make us resemble that team, is if you tried to read a book being held by someone on earth, from the ISS with your naked eye.

[Senbonzakura]

I'm starting to really lose my patience with this overrating Scottie ****.

He's not even as good of a scorer as **** DeRozan was. He's averaging an inefficient 21ppg in a league where almost 40 players are averaging 20+ppg. He's not a nearly good enough offensive player to build around.

As long as Scottie is the best player on this team this team has no chance of achieving anything.

[mihaic]

I think it's totally possible. Let's say Giannis signs with us

Say we draft Flagg.
Then we trade Poeltl and two picks for Jokic, should be fair as Poeltl is easily a top 8 center.
Get Luka (his contract expires soon, SnT with IQ and RJ)
and trade Scottie for Booker and 2 picks. (Which we use for Jokic)

Luka
Booker
FLAGG
Giannis
Jokic
=== Bench
- 6th man Davion for defence when Luka is off
- Bruce Brown energy guy guard, perfect to pair Jokic with him (proven, he brings the best out of Joker, he's the reason Denver won it all)
- Boucher hot streak from 3, will be x factor subbing in Giannis and killing the opponents from 3

I can see this team wining it all. Easily. If not just get Tatum too and we're good.

As you can see our team has what it takes, if we follow the Bucks model. I don't know why Masai is not working on it.

Edit: how do you do the green font?

[brownbobcat]

I see it too. This recent stretch shows that if we were healthy we’re probably a near 50 win team.

Barnes < Giannis
RJ > Middleton
IQ = Jrue
Poeltl > Lopez

And our depth looks better. I think next year we make the 2nd round and then after that probably the finals.

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

[torsport]

Sigh,

Okay, okay, this thread wasn't supposed to be about Raps = Milwaukee.

It was more about the phases of team building and models we've had over the years.

There was a time when we wanted to be like the championship Detroit Pistons where we could win it all without a super star, but really good star players up and down the lineup (because Raps would never get a super-star player - or get one to stay).

There was a time when the board saw the Raps as Spurs north, drafting/signing international players to get an edge.

Then the Kawhi trade happened, but the year after sort of supports Raps early concerns that they can't retain a super star talent.

After Kawhi we were told of vision 6'9 with highly switchable players.

Now it looks like we're in a new era of building - to me it looks more similar to the Milwaukee championship team model (maybe not too unique - since surrounding your multi-dimensional star with responsible defenders and shooting isn't ground breaking, but a shift from the previous approach).

The year they won the championship the Bucks were:

PTS/G: 120.1 (1st of 30) Opp PTS/G: 114.2 (22nd of 30)

Off Rtg: 117.2 (6th of 30) Def Rtg: 111.4 (10th of 30) Net Rtg: +5.7 (4th of 30)

[tsherkin]

Sigh,

Okay, okay, this thread wasn't supposed to be about Raps = Milwaukee.

It was more about the phases of team building and models we've had over the years.

There was a time when we wanted to be like the championship Detroit Pistons where we could win it all without a super star, but really good star players up and down the lineup (because Raps would never get a super-star player - or get one to stay).

There was a time when the board saw the Raps as Spurs north, drafting/signing international players to get an edge.

Then the Kawhi trade happened, but the year after sort of supports Raps early concerns that they can't retain a super star talent.

After Kawhi we were told of vision 6'9 with highly switchable players.

Now it looks like we're in a new era of building - to me it looks more similar to the Milwaukee championship team model (maybe not too unique - since surrounding your multi-dimensional star with responsible defenders and shooting isn't ground breaking, but a shift from the previous approach).

But we don't have a title-level centerpiece, is the point. So nothing we will do will effectively ape the Milwaukee model for taht reason.

The year they won the championship the Bucks were:

PTS/G: 120.1 (1st of 30) Opp PTS/G: 114.2 (22nd of 30)

Off Rtg: 117.2 (6th of 30) Def Rtg: 111.4 (10th of 30) Net Rtg: +5.7 (4th of 30)

Yeah, and right now, we're 24th in ORTG and 25th in DRTG, lacking a focal star.

We aren't at the "building to contention" phase yet. We're at the "how do we become a competent team in the league again" phase.

MIlwaukee in 2020 was a 56-win team with a superstar, and lost in the second round. The next year, the 2021 Bucks were a 46-win team (shortened season) who titled with tools we don't have. Resources we don't have. A foundation we don't have.

That basic premise is why it doesn't make sense. They drafted Giannis in 2013. That changed their fortunes.

They were a 38-win team before him, then won 15 games with him coming off the bench as a rookie. Turned into a starter the year after, and they were suddenly a .500 team. 33, 42, 44 wins. Then in 2019, they got really strong (Middleton's first AS season, and they added BroPez and Pat Connaughton).

So looking at 2021 Milwaukee in any way doesn't make sense because nothing lines up for us in terms of how they got there over the previous 8 seasons.

[Scase]

Sigh,

Okay, okay, this thread wasn't supposed to be about Raps = Milwaukee.

It was more about the phases of team building and models we've had over the years.

There was a time when we wanted to be like the championship Detroit Pistons where we could win it all without a super star, but really good star players up and down the lineup (because Raps would never get a super-star player - or get one to stay).

There was a time when the board saw the Raps as Spurs north, drafting/signing international players to get an edge.

Then the Kawhi trade happened, but the year after sort of supports Raps early concerns that they can't retain a super star talent.

After Kawhi we were told of vision 6'9 with highly switchable players.

Now it looks like we're in a new era of building - to me it looks more similar to the Milwaukee championship team model (maybe not too unique - since surrounding your multi-dimensional star with responsible defenders and shooting isn't ground breaking, but a shift from the previous approach).

But we don't have a title-level centerpiece, is the point. So nothing we will do will effectively ape the Milwaukee model for taht reason.

The year they won the championship the Bucks were:

PTS/G: 120.1 (1st of 30) Opp PTS/G: 114.2 (22nd of 30)

Off Rtg: 117.2 (6th of 30) Def Rtg: 111.4 (10th of 30) Net Rtg: +5.7 (4th of 30)

Yeah, and right now, we're 24th in ORTG and 25th in DRTG, lacking a focal star.

We aren't at the "building to contention" phase yet. We're at the "how do we become a competent team in the league again" phase.

MIlwaukee in 2020 was a 56-win team with a superstar, and lost in the second round. The next year, the 2021 Bucks were a 46-win team (shortened season) who titled with tools we don't have. Resources we don't have. A foundation we don't have.

That basic premise is why it doesn't make sense. They drafted Giannis in 2013. That changed their fortunes.

They were a 38-win team before him, then won 15 games with him coming off the bench as a rookie. Turned into a starter the year after, and they were suddenly a .500 team. 33, 42, 44 wins. Then in 2019, they got really strong (Middleton's first AS season, and they added BroPez and Pat Connaughton).

So looking at 2021 Milwaukee in any way doesn't make sense because nothing lines up for us in terms of how they got there over the previous 8 seasons.

Sir, I'm going to need you to squint harder.

[tsherkin]

Sir, I'm going to need you to squint harder.

I dunno, maybe I'm missing something. But the OP talked about "building around Scottie," who is clearly no where near Giannis. And we don't really have a Middleton proxy. Nor a perennial DPOY candidate who can space the floor for us like BroPez. Nor a nasty POA defender who can run the point. Nor corollaries for Connaughton or DiVincenzo.

So I just can't really see the idea of looking to a model similar to what the Bucks built.

[Scase]

Sir, I'm going to need you to squint harder.

I dunno, maybe I'm missing something. But the OP talked about "building around Scottie," who is clearly no where near Giannis. And we don't really have a Middleton proxy. Nor a perennial DPOY candidate who can space the floor for us like BroPez. Nor a nasty POA defender who can run the point. Nor corollaries for Connaughton or DiVincenzo.

So I just can't really see the idea of looking to a model similar to what the Bucks built.

You aren't missing anything I assure you, the only one missing something here is the OP lol

[refshateRaps]

No matter the model, which isn't a model, cause reality is you are either competing or rebuilding.

Its all about timing and luck, in both the draft and trades.

You need multiple stars in the league to be serious. We once again have a 1B star. In the next 3 seasons we will need to hit a 1A star to even be relevant. That could be draft or trade.

Most teams can say the same and are all following similar "models"

[tsherkin]

Its all about timing and luck, in both the draft and trades.

Quite so.

You need multiple stars in the league to be serious. We once again have a 1B star.

Maybe. He still needs to prove that, to be honest.

What we know for sure is that we don't have a championship foundation / centerpiece. Prior to that, most things become moot. If we don't find one in this year's draft, then we're going to have to pivot our strategy to something else, though, for sure. Asset accumulation by other means, and prayer.

[refshateRaps]

Its all about timing and luck, in both the draft and trades.

Quite so.

You need multiple stars in the league to be serious. We once again have a 1B star.

Maybe. He still needs to prove that, to be honest.

What we know for sure is that we don't have a championship foundation / centerpiece. Prior to that, most things become moot. If we don't find one in this year's draft, then we're going to have to pivot our strategy to something else, though, for sure. Asset accumulation by other means, and prayer.

My temperature on Scottie has always been lower than most here. I've expressed my disappointment that we didn't trade him when his value was inflated after winning ROY, especially considering we already had a promising prime PF in Pascal and a solid veteran core. Having a valuable trade asset while treading water was an opportunity this franchise squandered, instead of embarking on a hasty rebuild.

That said, this front office, after years of mind boggling inaction, has chosen to rebuild with him (hopefully never around him). For a franchise that retires jerseys of players who leave them high and dry, we may need divine intervention to become a reasonable playoff team taking this path.

Anything is possible with the right timing, but our situation is gonna need a lot of luck with this core.

[tsherkin]

My temperature on Scottie has always been lower than most here. I've expressed my disappointment that we didn't trade him when his value was inflated after winning ROY, especially considering we already had a promising prime PF in Pascal and a solid veteran core. Having a valuable trade asset while treading water was an opportunity this franchise squandered, instead of embarking on a hasty rebuild.

I wasn't thrilled when we traded Pascal right as he was getting it, developing as a scorer (even in a down year from 3). To be fair, I wasn't as plugged in to the team right around that time as I am now, so it also came as a bit of a surprise. I liked Pascal. And he was finally doing what I'd been waiting for, and bitching that he wasn't, too. Damn. xD

Anything is possible with the right timing, but our situation is gonna need a lot of luck with this core.

Very curious to see what happens over the remainder of the week, to be sure.