Demar’s Insane Resume!

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No, he is shooting better by a noteworthy amount.

Nine years in Toronto: 28.8%
Three years in San Antonio: 22.7%
Three years in Chicago: 33.6%
One Year in Sacramento: 34.0%

Ah, but...

TOR: 36.7% corner 3s (and he was shooting over 40% from the corners in 2016 and 2017)
SAS: 30.4% corner 3s
CHI: 33.4% corner 3s
SAC: 38.9% corner 3s.

You cherry picked one year while he was in Toronto for the comparison. Conversely, as I pointed out, he now has four years in a row of shooting better than 30% and all 4 of those years are on higher volume than the year you cherry picked.

Mostly, we're looking at him seeing a lot more shots from the corner than recently now that he's in Sacramento. And over a short sample of 50 games, no less. He's been quite inconsistent from 3 his entire career, with wavering corner usage and inconsistent performance above the break.

This year specifically, we're seeing performance in volume from the corner which we have seen before, so it isn't really strongly indicative of major change. And again, short sample. We'll see where he's at com the end of the season.

Ah but... what? Is this supposed to be a got ya?

It's really not complicated Tyler. He is shooting better from three in the past 4 seasons, consistently, than he has at any time in his career. He has objectively improved his 3pt shooting. The point GreatWhiteStiff made, which is a correct assertion, is that Demar has continued to improve aspects of his game into his 30s. If you want to refute that point, this might be an interesting conversation. Otherwise I'll park this along side your assertion that Lowry demonstrated 3pt shooting prowess by going 3/8 in 10 games as a rookie.

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Ah but... what? Is this supposed to be a got ya?

It's really not complicated Tyler. He is shooting better from three in the past 4 seasons, consistently, than he has at any time in his career. He has objectively improved his 3pt shooting. The point GreatWhiteStiff made, which is a correct assertion, is that Demar has continued to improve aspects of his game into his 30s. If you want to refute that point, this might be an interesting conversation. Otherwise I'll park this along side your assertion that Lowry demonstrated 3pt shooting prowess by going 3/8 in 10 games as a rookie.

He's shooting marginally better, sure. There isn't any significant change. This year in particular, it's all about corner usage... and he isn't any better there than he has been over his career, so it's really an overexaggeration to say he's improved to a meaningful degree, is my point.


Overall, Demar continues to improve. Incremental improvement has been his thing for over a decade, yes. This isn't news. He did it while he was still a Raptor and he didn't stop working on his game. His FT shooting has improved. His perimeter 2pt shooting has been improving for a decade. But from 3, it's mostly usage pattern differences. In Chicago, his total volume was small, and apart from the first year, we saw a drop-off in his corner usage as well. There is SOME improvement, but again, we see a lot of changes in volume and specific shot diet. So blanket statements about anything more than marginal, largely unremarkable improvement aren't really substantive at this point.

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We can definitely say this now :

Better than Bosh.

His growth from rookie to now is insanity.

I disagree with this. He played longer than Bosh and has accumulated more counting stats. Lebron has more points than Jordan, does it mean he's a better scorer?

Demar is the model of durability and he's been in a position to be a primary scorer on every team he's been on, but his teams never amount to much outside if the regular season.

The stat about him being the most clutch is weird because anyone thats seens him closely knows that when it matters most he becomes Defumbles/Defrozen

Bosh's team amounts to even less both in regular season and playoffs. Even more irrelevant as the top guy and not been clutch. The only relevant thing he's done is riding on the back of LeBron and Wade as 3rd banana.

The most relevant information to your argument is how good his team was vs Demars if you're going with that and its not close. As a Raptor/lead guy Boshs best co-star was who? Jose Calderon, Tj Ford...Bargnani lol. Demar played with someone who was better than him, even tho he got all the credit as being the "best player". His teams were stacked in comparison. I'm not gonna act like Bosh was 10x the player, but he was CLEARLY better. Did you watch him?

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I disagree with this. He played longer than Bosh and has accumulated more counting stats. Lebron has more points than Jordan, does it mean he's a better scorer?

Demar is the model of durability and he's been in a position to be a primary scorer on every team he's been on, but his teams never amount to much outside if the regular season.

The stat about him being the most clutch is weird because anyone thats seens him closely knows that when it matters most he becomes Defumbles/Defrozen

Bosh's team amounts to even less both in regular season and playoffs. Even more irrelevant as the top guy and not been clutch. The only relevant thing he's done is riding on the back of LeBron and Wade as 3rd banana.

The most relevant information to your argument is how good his team was vs Demars if you're going with that and its not close. As a Raptor/lead guy Boshs best co-star was who? Jose Calderon, Tj Ford...Bargnani lol. Demar played with someone who was better than him, even tho he got all the credit as being the "best player". His teams were stacked in comparison. I'm not gonna act like Bosh was 10x the player, but he was CLEARLY better. Did you watch him?

I think I'm going to retract my original statement. If Bosh had Lowry we would have been a much better team. At the time I wanted us to get Joe Johnson or a similar level player next to Bosh. We were never able to make that happen and Colangelo never truly tried to make it happen.

We made a minor effort to trade the 2006 1st overall pick for Ray Allen. If we ended up trading Bargnani for a star after his rookie year our trajectory as a franchise would be completely different.

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I think I'm going to retract my original statement. If Bosh had Lowry we would have been a much better team.

We certainly would have. Bosh was ponderously slow on offense, and not much of a playmaker. Having a real PG who could score and run the offense while playing some quality D would have been good. Jose was alright but Lowry would have been a fairly big deal alongside Bosh.

We made a minor effort to trade the 2006 1st overall pick for Ray Allen. If we ended up trading Bargnani for a star after his rookie year our trajectory as a franchise would be completely different.

We were never going to be able to trade Bargs for a star. We might have been able to parlay the pick we ultimately used on Bargs into something more useful, though. And we should have.