PG; Raptors lose

[ArthurVandelay]

We just went 6-2 with these same rotations...and the 2 losses were by 3 pts and 1 pt.

Suns, Spursx2, Wiz, Netsx2, Hornetsx2, 76ers...those games are VERY EASILY winnable games regardless who we play. That's 9.

Warriors, Bulls, Portland, Pistons, Mavs. We easily could win 1-4 games without wanting to win.

And again, the Spurs schedule is so much harder and have no Fox/Wemby. Every win they get we should count our blessings.

You think we beat the Suns tonight?

We beat them a month ago by 18 and we didn't dress Yak.

I hope we don't, but....

Revenge game for Suns

How they play will tell a lot about the state of that locker room

[aminiaturebuddha]

I have a feeling that if the Raptors knew how easy this was all going to be, and if they understood that teams like Philly, the Mavs, and the Spurs would be down all of their best players, and if they had a sense of how much Orlando was going to struggle and Miami was going to free fall, they might have just said "screw it" and made a push to win after the All Star break.

But this comes back to the forever debate: what's the point of doing that, only to get the crap kicked out of us in the first round while denying ourselves superior asset acquisition? We NEED better talent. Lots of it, if we hope to do more than get the stuffing smashed out of us in a run of near-misses and 1st round losses.

I'm not saying that's necessarily what I would have done. I just think if the front office knew all of this stuff in advance, they might have chosen that route.

[tsherkin]

I have a feeling that if the Raptors knew how easy this was all going to be, and if they understood that teams like Philly, the Mavs, and the Spurs would be down all of their best players, and if they had a sense of how much Orlando was going to struggle and Miami was going to free fall, they might have just said "screw it" and made a push to win after the All Star break.

But this comes back to the forever debate: what's the point of doing that, only to get the crap kicked out of us in the first round while denying ourselves superior asset acquisition? We NEED better talent. Lots of it, if we hope to do more than get the stuffing smashed out of us in a run of near-misses and 1st round losses.

I'm not saying that's necessarily what I would have done. I just think if the front office knew all of this stuff in advance, they might have chosen that route.

I have trouble believing that they would have full-sent a tank regardless, to be honest.

[Dennis 37]

donnie darko sitting shead and battle on the last play is some 4D chess.

It's a Mad Mad World.

[mrdressup]

can't fine him. Darko was smart he played Scottie and purtle minutes. LOL, 3D chess

We're cheating nobody but ourselves. We are clearly not a bottom 5 team. That's not our pick to get. We can only get there by throwing games now. There's a difference between praying to the lottery Gods to move up and making a deal with the devil to get a better pick. We're outsmarting no one. We' ve adopted the attitude of "everyone else is doing it, let's be just as dishonest". That a weak as mentality in any aspect of life.

And we likely won't be a bottom 5 team, we are just trying to avoid the play-in. Teams rest guys and play younger players in the latter part of the season all the time, it's pretty normal stuff. At least we didn't pull this crap mid-way through the year like so many tankers wanted us to do.

When all is said and done we'll end up 11th in the East and we will not have given minute to players who have yet learned to play together effectively and win. In no Universes will we ever play Robinson and Castleton together to close a game. We ALL know this. We are cheating, and some are only too happy to twist themselves in a pretzel to say we are meaningfully evaluating. If anything our evaluations have informed us who to play together to close a game to lose against teams trying to win.

The proper way to go after a top pick/generational talent is to trade away your core/talent at a time when that would maximize your draft picks in return AND set you up for hard failure. That's what tanking is supposed to be as respectable strategy within the business of basketball. We sucked this year and were injured, but we are sill too well constructed to lose against teams that adopted the long game to get their odds BECAUSE we are mid and won't accept not being mid. Any arsehole who tries and exploit the rules in a system is a loser in my book. Our GM is such a loser if he is behind this farce. It leads to races to the bottom.

[SFour]

Read on Twitter

our tactics are starting to trigger people lol

Sixers reporter whining about another team tanking....some people have no shame

Raptors are 6-4 in their last 10, while Sixers are 3-7......who's the real problem.
lets investigate the Raptors though

[PushDaRock]

We're cheating nobody but ourselves. We are clearly not a bottom 5 team. That's not our pick to get. We can only get there by throwing games now. There's a difference between praying to the lottery Gods to move up and making a deal with the devil to get a better pick. We're outsmarting no one. We' ve adopted the attitude of "everyone else is doing it, let's be just as dishonest". That a weak as mentality in any aspect of life.

And we likely won't be a bottom 5 team, we are just trying to avoid the play-in. Teams rest guys and play younger players in the latter part of the season all the time, it's pretty normal stuff. At least we didn't pull this crap mid-way through the year like so many tankers wanted us to do.

When all is said and done we'll end up 11th in the East and we will not have given minute to players who have yet learned to play together effectively and win. In no Universes will we ever play Robinson and Castleton together to close a game. We ALL know this. We are cheating, and some are only too happy to twist themselves in a pretzel to say we are meaningfully evaluating. If anything our evaluations have informed us who to play together to close a game to lose against teams trying to win.

The proper way to go after a top pick/generational talent is to trade away your core/talent at a time when that would maximize your draft picks in return AND set you up for hard failure. That's what tanking is supposed to be as respectable strategy within the business of basketball. We sucked this year and were injured, but we are sill too well constructed to lose against teams that adopted the long game to get their odds BECAUSE we are mid and won't accept not being mid. Any arsehole who tries and exploit the rules in a system is a loser in my book. Our GM is such a loser if he is behind this farce. It leads to races to the bottom.

So, a mid team has to accept being mid is what you think we should be forced to do instead of giving ourselves an opportunity to get lucky?

It's honorable to put together a bad team on purpose to tank but isn't one to opportunistically tank? Very odd where you draw the line on what's ok.

lol hopefully Masai can still sleep at night without your respect.

[Shakril]

And we likely won't be a bottom 5 team, we are just trying to avoid the play-in. Teams rest guys and play younger players in the latter part of the season all the time, it's pretty normal stuff. At least we didn't pull this crap mid-way through the year like so many tankers wanted us to do.

When all is said and done we'll end up 11th in the East and we will not have given minute to players who have yet learned to play together effectively and win. In no Universes will we ever play Robinson and Castleton together to close a game. We ALL know this. We are cheating, and some are only too happy to twist themselves in a pretzel to say we are meaningfully evaluating. If anything our evaluations have informed us who to play together to close a game to lose against teams trying to win.

The proper way to go after a top pick/generational talent is to trade away your core/talent at a time when that would maximize your draft picks in return AND set you up for hard failure. That's what tanking is supposed to be as respectable strategy within the business of basketball. We sucked this year and were injured, but we are sill too well constructed to lose against teams that adopted the long game to get their odds BECAUSE we are mid and won't accept not being mid. Any arsehole who tries and exploit the rules in a system is a loser in my book. Our GM is such a loser if he is behind this farce. It leads to races to the bottom.

So, a mid team has to accept being mid is what you think we should be forced to do instead of giving ourselves an opportunity to get lucky?

It's honorable to put together a bad team on purpose to tank but isn't one to opportunistically tank? Very odd where you draw the line on what's ok.

lol hopefully Masai can still sleep at night without your respect.

Thats the point - you want to depend on luck. But this season alone showed, that with a good development plan, scouting team and the right culture you can do more than just wait for some ping pong balls fall your way. Remember how we won the title. We did it by beein competitive over years, make the right trades, develop the guys we drafted into players that helped or were traded for others that helped.

Tanking this season is a wasted opportunity and only is worth it, IF Flagg will be a Franchise Player.

[TorontoBarneys]

New motivation to out-tank the Nets and Sixers just to piss off these losers further.

[PushDaRock]

When all is said and done we'll end up 11th in the East and we will not have given minute to players who have yet learned to play together effectively and win. In no Universes will we ever play Robinson and Castleton together to close a game. We ALL know this. We are cheating, and some are only too happy to twist themselves in a pretzel to say we are meaningfully evaluating. If anything our evaluations have informed us who to play together to close a game to lose against teams trying to win.

The proper way to go after a top pick/generational talent is to trade away your core/talent at a time when that would maximize your draft picks in return AND set you up for hard failure. That's what tanking is supposed to be as respectable strategy within the business of basketball. We sucked this year and were injured, but we are sill too well constructed to lose against teams that adopted the long game to get their odds BECAUSE we are mid and won't accept not being mid. Any arsehole who tries and exploit the rules in a system is a loser in my book. Our GM is such a loser if he is behind this farce. It leads to races to the bottom.

So, a mid team has to accept being mid is what you think we should be forced to do instead of giving ourselves an opportunity to get lucky?

It's honorable to put together a bad team on purpose to tank but isn't one to opportunistically tank? Very odd where you draw the line on what's ok.

lol hopefully Masai can still sleep at night without your respect.

Thats the point - you want to depend on luck. But this season alone showed, that with a good development plan, scouting team and the right culture you can do more than just wait for some ping pong balls fall your way. Remember how we won the title. We did it by beein competitive over years, make the right trades, develop the guys we drafted into players that helped or were traded for others that helped.

Tanking this season is a wasted opportunity and only is worth it, IF Flagg will be a Franchise Player.

There's a difference between a .500 team being a play-in team vs a low 30's win team that sneaks it's way in due to everyone else's incompetence. If we didn't start 8-31, sure I'm with you on just playing it out. I wasn't one of those people trying to optimize every percentage for ping pong balls but we are looking at a situation where this team could "accidentally" make the play-in and then given the terrible competition actually have a good chance of making the playoffs which locks in a 15th pick with no chance at a top 4 pick. It's hard for me to look at that situation and say the trade off giving up a chance at a top 4 pick along with a likely top 10 pick is worth it for whatever little playoff experience is gained from getting curb stomped by the Cavs. If we are going to make the playoffs, I want to be competitive in it, right now it wouldn't be.

[PushDaRock]

Read on Twitter

our tactics are starting to trigger people lol

Sixers reporter whining about another team tanking....some people have no shame

Raptors are 6-4 in their last 10, while Sixers are 3-7......who's the real problem.
lets investigate the Raptors though

lol the complaint is basically that we are unsuccessfully tanking

[DreamTeam09]

We're cheating nobody but ourselves. We are clearly not a bottom 5 team. That's not our pick to get. We can only get there by throwing games now. There's a difference between praying to the lottery Gods to move up and making a deal with the devil to get a better pick. We're outsmarting no one. We' ve adopted the attitude of "everyone else is doing it, let's be just as dishonest". That a weak as mentality in any aspect of life.

And we likely won't be a bottom 5 team, we are just trying to avoid the play-in. Teams rest guys and play younger players in the latter part of the season all the time, it's pretty normal stuff. At least we didn't pull this crap mid-way through the year like so many tankers wanted us to do.

When all is said and done we'll end up 11th in the East and we will not have given minute to players who have yet learned to play together effectively and win. In no Universes will we ever play Robinson and Castleton together to close a game. We ALL know this. We are cheating, and some are only too happy to twist themselves in a pretzel to say we are meaningfully evaluating. If anything our evaluations have informed us who to play together to close a game to lose against teams trying to win.

The proper way to go after a top pick/generational talent is to trade away your core/talent at a time when that would maximize your draft picks in return AND set you up for hard failure. That's what tanking is supposed to be as respectable strategy within the business of basketball. We sucked this year and were injured, but we are sill too well constructed to lose against teams that adopted the long game to get their odds BECAUSE we are mid and won't accept not being mid. Any arsehole who tries and exploit the rules in a system is a loser in my book. Our GM is such a loser if he is behind this farce. It leads to races to the bottom.

When we jump into the lottery, and one of the top 5 teams drop in the lottery, don't cheer for the raps next year, and if it doesn't happen, you should have no issue cheering for the raps in the future.

[canada_dry]

All but guaranteed top 7 odds now... good.

All is well.

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[bballsparkin]

wrong thread

[Dennis 37]

Next season is going to be very interesting. Everyone is playing well - if we can’t find a big man in this draft, you gotta look at what you can get for Gradey Dick plus someone else. What we come out of this draft with will really set this team up to have no weaknesses at any position. This team is stacked at guard and forward and needs another big and a PG.

Shead scares the **** out of me because he runs this team so well. Good call to bench him. Dude makes this team very interesting because he’s on his way to being a starter and that means you can use one of the other projected starters in a trade and this is without even taking our first round pick this year, Walter or Ochai into account.

Any time Battle is wide open for a 3 I groan because I know it’s going in.

Poeltl is so good for this team. Darko making him more of an offensive player has turned him into a different player.

Barnes needs to keep getting to the line, but you can see how raw he is even trying that as he flails for calls rather than trying to score. That’s the next step - he needs to go up looking to score and trying to finish even after the foul. That will completely change how many free throws he gets. To me he’s like a new kid trying to learn how to become a scorer and you can see how he’s still processing things in his head there. That will come naturally over time.

Someone said Shead would be better than Fred, buy not as good as Kyle.

Can't recall who that was.

All the players we are playing, and some who are not, aren't going to see the floor next year unless there are injuries.

A consolidation trade seems in order otherwise talent will be wasting on the bench.

[ArthurVandelay]

Next season is going to be very interesting. Everyone is playing well - if we can’t find a big man in this draft, you gotta look at what you can get for Gradey Dick plus someone else. What we come out of this draft with will really set this team up to have no weaknesses at any position. This team is stacked at guard and forward and needs another big and a PG.

Shead scares the **** out of me because he runs this team so well. Good call to bench him. Dude makes this team very interesting because he’s on his way to being a starter and that means you can use one of the other projected starters in a trade and this is without even taking our first round pick this year, Walter or Ochai into account.

Any time Battle is wide open for a 3 I groan because I know it’s going in.

Poeltl is so good for this team. Darko making him more of an offensive player has turned him into a different player.

Barnes needs to keep getting to the line, but you can see how raw he is even trying that as he flails for calls rather than trying to score. That’s the next step - he needs to go up looking to score and trying to finish even after the foul. That will completely change how many free throws he gets. To me he’s like a new kid trying to learn how to become a scorer and you can see how he’s still processing things in his head there. That will come naturally over time.

Someone said Shead would be better than Fred, buy not as good as Kyle.

Can't recall who that was.

All the players we are playing, and some who are not, aren't going to see the floor next year unless there are injuries.

A consolidation trade seems in order otherwise talent will be wasting on the bench.

I agree, but unless they draft a PG with their first, I think Shead has back up PG locked up