GT: Toronto 24-46 @ Brooklyn 23-49 March 26 7:30

[tsherkin]

Obviously, but we aren't exactly putting out our best lineups either through this stretch. Nobody expects us to literally be the best defensive team in the league from this stat, but at the very least it's showing we should have the potential to be a top 10 D. We aren't that far off right now at 16th in DRTG on the season. This is after being dead last to start the year at one point. Any way you slice it, going from dead last for one stretch to best in the league for another stretch is a drastic improvement no matter who you are playing or have playing.

It's certainly promising, I was only indicating that the specific magnitude probably doesn't mean a great deal. We do have some interesting youth. And even with the hanging negativity over his dreadful scoring, Scottie is an excellent defensive player, so that's also promising.

[ArthurVandelay]

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Where would the Raptors rank if Dick was still starting all those games lol.

You know I like Dick and I'm rooting for him, but that was my first thought too.

[Tor_Raps]

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Where would the Raptors rank if Dick was still starting all those games lol.

Likely still #1 I would think, we have defensive chemistry now which wasn't there at the beginning of the year and that can hide a lot of individual deficiencies.

Disagree. And usually players you need to hide for defensive deficiencies more than make up for it offensively to help offset the tradeoff. Hope Dick and the coaching staff have taken this time off to determine how to handout playing time next year.

[Tor_Raps]

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Where would the Raptors rank if Dick was still starting all those games lol.

You know I like Dick and I'm rooting for him, but that was my first thought too.

I've been calling this out since the start of the season even when he started off great offensively. Once our players came back and he turned into the 4th/5th option, would he do enough to remain on the court?

The answer has been an obvious "no" as of now. Hoping for a big offseason of development here.

[PushDaRock]

Where would the Raptors rank if Dick was still starting all those games lol.

Likely still #1 I would think, we have defensive chemistry now which wasn't there at the beginning of the year and that can hide a lot of individual deficiencies.

Disagree. And usually players you need to hide for defensive deficiencies more than make up for it offensively to help offset the tradeoff. Hope Dick and the coaching staff have taken this time off to determine how to handout playing time next year.

I am factoring in who we have had playing in his place. We have a bunch of rookies and G Leaguers replacing his minutes, it's not a bunch of lock down defenders. I don't think playing Gradey in their place would really have any difference in our D through this stretch, the impact would have been minimal IMO.

How many minutes Gradey should get next season is different question, I think he's a very odd fit right now.

[Tor_Raps]

Likely still #1 I would think, we have defensive chemistry now which wasn't there at the beginning of the year and that can hide a lot of individual deficiencies.

Disagree. And usually players you need to hide for defensive deficiencies more than make up for it offensively to help offset the tradeoff. Hope Dick and the coaching staff have taken this time off to determine how to handout playing time next year.

I am factoring in who we have had playing in his place. We have a bunch of rookies and G Leaguers replacing his minutes, it's not a bunch of lock down defenders. I don't think playing Gradey in their place would really have any difference in our D through this stretch, the impact would have been minimal IMO.

How many minutes Gradey should get next season is different question, I think he's a very odd fit right now.

While the players who are playing instead of Dick aren't elite defenders, there's an obvious upgrade just by not having a massive blackmore defensively who other teams attack on almost every play.

Our defense isn't good enough to offset such a net negative there, especially when he doesnt give you enough offensively too.

[PushDaRock]

Disagree. And usually players you need to hide for defensive deficiencies more than make up for it offensively to help offset the tradeoff. Hope Dick and the coaching staff have taken this time off to determine how to handout playing time next year.

I am factoring in who we have had playing in his place. We have a bunch of rookies and G Leaguers replacing his minutes, it's not a bunch of lock down defenders. I don't think playing Gradey in their place would really have any difference in our D through this stretch, the impact would have been minimal IMO.

How many minutes Gradey should get next season is different question, I think he's a very odd fit right now.

While the players who are playing instead of Dick aren't elite defenders, there's an obvious upgrade just by not having a massive blackmore defensively who other teams attack on almost every play.

Our defense isn't good enough to offset such a net negative there, especially when he doesnt give you enough offensively too.

Gradey 117.6 DRTG

Lawson 117.6 DRTG
Battle 118.7 DRTG
Walter 117.2 DRTG

[PushDaRock]

Obviously, but we aren't exactly putting out our best lineups either through this stretch. Nobody expects us to literally be the best defensive team in the league from this stat, but at the very least it's showing we should have the potential to be a top 10 D. We aren't that far off right now at 16th in DRTG on the season. This is after being dead last to start the year at one point. Any way you slice it, going from dead last for one stretch to best in the league for another stretch is a drastic improvement no matter who you are playing or have playing.

It's certainly promising, I was only indicating that the specific magnitude probably doesn't mean a great deal. We do have some interesting youth. And even with the hanging negativity over his dreadful scoring, Scottie is an excellent defensive player, so that's also promising.

First 40 Games = 119.4 DRTG
Last 33 Games = 112.0 DRTG

I think that's a meaningful enough sample size with such a drastic improvement that it warrants some optimism.

[Kingsway_fan]

Obviously, but we aren't exactly putting out our best lineups either through this stretch. Nobody expects us to literally be the best defensive team in the league from this stat, but at the very least it's showing we should have the potential to be a top 10 D. We aren't that far off right now at 16th in DRTG on the season. This is after being dead last to start the year at one point. Any way you slice it, going from dead last for one stretch to best in the league for another stretch is a drastic improvement no matter who you are playing or have playing.

It's certainly promising, I was only indicating that the specific magnitude probably doesn't mean a great deal. We do have some interesting youth. And even with the hanging negativity over his dreadful scoring, Scottie is an excellent defensive player, so that's also promising.

First 40 Games = 119.4 DRTG
Last 33 Games = 112.0 DRTG

I think that's a meaningful enough sample size with such a drastic improvement that it warrants some optimism.

Means nothing. Look at our schedule of massively tanking teams we have been playing!... totally meaningless stat. Let's revisit this first half of next season.. when games still mean something...

[TakeYourHeart]

I am factoring in who we have had playing in his place. We have a bunch of rookies and G Leaguers replacing his minutes, it's not a bunch of lock down defenders. I don't think playing Gradey in their place would really have any difference in our D through this stretch, the impact would have been minimal IMO.

How many minutes Gradey should get next season is different question, I think he's a very odd fit right now.

While the players who are playing instead of Dick aren't elite defenders, there's an obvious upgrade just by not having a massive blackmore defensively who other teams attack on almost every play.

Our defense isn't good enough to offset such a net negative there, especially when he doesnt give you enough offensively too.

Gradey 117.6 DRTG

Lawson 117.6 DRTG
Battle 118.7 DRTG
Walter 117.2 DRTG

Where you get these numbers?

Gradey 116.1
Battle 113.1
Walter 111.9
Lawson 110.4

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-advanced?dir=D&sort=DEF_RATING

[PushDaRock]

While the players who are playing instead of Dick aren't elite defenders, there's an obvious upgrade just by not having a massive blackmore defensively who other teams attack on almost every play.

Our defense isn't good enough to offset such a net negative there, especially when he doesnt give you enough offensively too.

Gradey 117.6 DRTG

Lawson 117.6 DRTG
Battle 118.7 DRTG
Walter 117.2 DRTG

Where you get these numbers?

Gradey 116.1
Battle 113.1
Walter 111.9
Lawson 110.4

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-advanced?dir=D&sort=DEF_RATING

Basketball Reference

Odd how the numbers are so drastically different from one source versus another.

[mihaic]

While the players who are playing instead of Dick aren't elite defenders, there's an obvious upgrade just by not having a massive blackmore defensively who other teams attack on almost every play.

Our defense isn't good enough to offset such a net negative there, especially when he doesnt give you enough offensively too.

Gradey 117.6 DRTG

Lawson 117.6 DRTG
Battle 118.7 DRTG
Walter 117.2 DRTG

Where you get these numbers?

Gradey 116.1
Battle 113.1
Walter 111.9
Lawson 110.4

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-advanced?dir=D&sort=DEF_RATING

Just for fun can your numbers be changed to account for 'since Jan 1st'.

Since that is when they turned it on defensively, and Lawson and Walter for example did not play in our bad stretch early on.

Edit: it's doable I chose post allstar game. Poeltl on, defense is on another level at 95. Boucher net rtg is +21, holy crap! Yak +14.

[tsherkin]

Obviously, but we aren't exactly putting out our best lineups either through this stretch. Nobody expects us to literally be the best defensive team in the league from this stat, but at the very least it's showing we should have the potential to be a top 10 D. We aren't that far off right now at 16th in DRTG on the season. This is after being dead last to start the year at one point. Any way you slice it, going from dead last for one stretch to best in the league for another stretch is a drastic improvement no matter who you are playing or have playing.

It's certainly promising, I was only indicating that the specific magnitude probably doesn't mean a great deal. We do have some interesting youth. And even with the hanging negativity over his dreadful scoring, Scottie is an excellent defensive player, so that's also promising.

First 40 Games = 119.4 DRTG
Last 33 Games = 112.0 DRTG

I think that's a meaningful enough sample size with such a drastic improvement that it warrants some optimism.

I did say that it was promising, specifiy. And noted that it was the magnitude/rank was the aspect I was skeptical toward.

[Tripod]

Where would the Raptors rank if Dick was still starting all those games lol.

You know I like Dick and I'm rooting for him, but that was my first thought too.

I've been calling this out since the start of the season even when he started off great offensively. Once our players came back and he turned into the 4th/5th option, would he do enough to remain on the court?

The answer has been an obvious "no" as of now. Hoping for a big offseason of development here.

That development should be traded for Lively.

Still gonna try and speak this into existence

[PushDaRock]

Gradey 117.6 DRTG

Lawson 117.6 DRTG
Battle 118.7 DRTG
Walter 117.2 DRTG

Where you get these numbers?

Gradey 116.1
Battle 113.1
Walter 111.9
Lawson 110.4

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-advanced?dir=D&sort=DEF_RATING

Just for fun can your numbers be changed to account for 'since Jan 1st'.

Since that is when they turned it on defensively, and Lawson and Walter for example did not play in our bad stretch early on.

lol yeah if we use the NBA.com stats, that filter really makes Gradey look terrible individually

Jan 1 - March 2 = 113.5 DRTG (Gradey 116.4 DRTG through this stretch)
Post Gradey Injury = 107.9 DRTG

We were 13th best in DRTG during that Jan 1- March 2 stretch with Gradey in the lineup and have been #1 in DRTG post Gradey injury. We do have to factor in the SOS while he's been out but I would say we are likely 1-2 points worse with Gradey in the lineup if we use the NBA.com data, so maybe a drop from #1 to #3/4 down during this stretch. More so the point I was making was our D wasn't going to just fall of a cliff with him in there as it was already trending in the right direction while he was playing.

[Tor_Raps]

Gradey 117.6 DRTG

Lawson 117.6 DRTG
Battle 118.7 DRTG
Walter 117.2 DRTG

Where you get these numbers?

Gradey 116.1
Battle 113.1
Walter 111.9
Lawson 110.4

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-advanced?dir=D&sort=DEF_RATING

Just for fun can your numbers be changed to account for 'since Jan 1st'.

Since that is when they turned it on defensively, and Lawson and Walter for example did not play in our bad stretch early on.

Edit: it's doable I chose post allstar game. Poeltl on, defense is on another level at 95. Boucher net rtg is +21, holy crap! Yak +14.

Do we really need advanced stats to tell us how bad Dick was this year defensively when most people posting here watch almost every game (sadly) lol

[Mr Funk]

If you believe that Scottie Barnes is a finished product and has reached his ceiling, you are clearly stupid.

If you think fans are assuming hes a finished product...rather than seeing his lack of offensive improvement thus far indicating he has no future has an offensive corner stone then i don't know what to call you

He's clearly developed a mid-range game, despite only playing in 60 games last year and being injured this year. But whatever, you'll just reply with some b.s. snark about "making excuses" and you may not know what to call me, but I'm sure as hell that you're just another ignorant and obnoxious casual and a person I have no f*cking interest interacting with, as I have you blocked. Don't quote me again.

Warned: Personal Attack

[mihaic]

If we go based on NetRtg Boucher should be a superstar

At least it explains why they're not playing him now.