OG wanted to shoot more & we said NO

[TheGeneral99]

I don't think the gap goes from star to high end role player. There's something in between which is where I would have those guys. OG is probably borderline as a Star caliber player because All-NBA defenders that are also above average offensively are very rare in this league.

Well then it depends on your definition. Again below are some players that I put into all-star/borderline all-star players and this is who I defined as "elite role players."

All-star/borderline all-star level players (can be a #1 or #2, but ideally a 3rd option on a contender): Barnes, Banchero, Herro, Randle, Lavine, Murray, Ingram, Derozan etc.

Elite/high-end role player: OG, Reaves, Brooks, Dort, White, Powell, Barrett, Turner, Portis, Harris, Thompson, Jordan Poole, Michael Porter Jr. etc.

I wouldn't put OG on the level of Barnes, Randle, Ingram, Murray etc. but he isn't that far off, he's like one level below. If we are going to do rankings, I would say OG is probably a top 45-50 player in the league. He's not a star (top 30-35 player), but he's right behind them in terms of how valuable he is.

Switch all star/borderline named players with elite high end role players named players. Derozan, lavine, Ingram, herro, Randle etc u don't win with these guys as 3rd options, it's not their natural way to play.

OG is a Ron Artest type of player, someone who has way more impact on the game, not only offensively.

Barrett is nowhere close to be anything. He's more of a Kevin Martin 6th man, at best.

I think Barrett is massively underrated for a guy that is only 24 years old. The last two seasons his offensive production has been great and he's very efficient. How many guards average 21, 6 and 5 on 47%fg and 35%3fg?

Sure, OG has a ton of impact, but he is ideally the 3rd or 4th scoring option on a team with all-stars that he can compliment. He's not a guy you can ever have as your #2 scorer.

[Mattatron]

Well then it depends on your definition. Again below are some players that I put into all-star/borderline all-star players and this is who I defined as "elite role players."

All-star/borderline all-star level players (can be a #1 or #2, but ideally a 3rd option on a contender): Barnes, Banchero, Herro, Randle, Lavine, Murray, Ingram, Derozan etc.

Elite/high-end role player: OG, Reaves, Brooks, Dort, White, Powell, Barrett, Turner, Portis, Harris, Thompson, Jordan Poole, Michael Porter Jr. etc.

I wouldn't put OG on the level of Barnes, Randle, Ingram, Murray etc. but he isn't that far off, he's like one level below. If we are going to do rankings, I would say OG is probably a top 45-50 player in the league. He's not a star (top 30-35 player), but he's right behind them in terms of how valuable he is.

Switch all star/borderline named players with elite high end role players named players. Derozan, lavine, Ingram, herro, Randle etc u don't win with these guys as 3rd options, it's not their natural way to play.

OG is a Ron Artest type of player, someone who has way more impact on the game, not only offensively.

Barrett is nowhere close to be anything. He's more of a Kevin Martin 6th man, at best.

I think Barrett is massively underrated for a guy that is only 24 years old. The last two seasons his offensive production has been great and he's very efficient. How many guards average 21, 6 and 5 on 47%fg and 35%3fg?

Sure, OG has a ton of impact, but he is ideally the 3rd or 4th scoring option on a team with all-stars that he can compliment. He's not a guy you can ever have as your #2 scorer.

I'd rather have OG as my 3rd/4th guy than rj in a lineup. He's a one trick pony, and analytics prove that. And his style of play suits not for being a 3rd option let alone 2nd or 1st option. Your first 3 best players shouldn't all have the same abilities (scoring). That's not how you win games.