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Silver Lining - Good things we got BI and now 4.4M under the luxury tax

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Re: Silver Lining - Good things we got BI and now 4.4M under the luxury tax 

Post#101 » by djsunyc » Fri May 16, 2025 12:38 am

GLF wrote:Y’all overrate Ochai’s defence. He is an average defender. Ja’Kobe is a much better point of attack defender than Ochai is and I’m confident he will be a better overall defender in a year or 2 once he gets stronger. What I think you guys miss when it comes to Gradey, is yes Ochai shot 40% from 3, but Gradey has WAY and I mean WAY more gravity than Ochai. Raptors offence is much better when Gradey is on the floor. The stats back that up. And it’s because of his gravity.

Gradey at such a young age takes some of the most difficult shots, shots Ochai couldn’t dream of taking. Ochai takes the easiest shots on the floor and has the easiest job of anyone on the team. That was done purposefully because of how bad he was when he initially came to us. Darko simplified his role big time. I give Ochai credit for the improvements he made, because he went from not hitting shots to hitting shots, but in the playoffs Ochai wouldn’t be as effective.

Movement shooting is WAY more valuable and important in today’s NBA than wide open stand still catch and shoot shooting. And that’s all Ochai does. Teams have figured out how to guard the stand still catch and shoot 3s. This isn’t 2015 anymore. Gradey is also really good at putting the ball on the floor after an advantage is created for him and he gets to the free throw line bc of it and hits his free throws. That’s huge in the playoffs. Ochai isn’t as good at doing that and Gradey is only going to get better at it. Once Gradey gets stronger and starts finishing better it’s over. It’s why Max Strus for example is such a good role player. He can shoot the ball but also put it on the floor when he gets a close out.

Gradey offensive potential is crazy, remember Gradey shot 46% on wide open stand still catch and shoot 3s. I don’t think y’all understand the shooter Gradey is bc his overall numbers say he’s a 35% 3 point shooter. You always have to have context with the stats. If Gradey got to play Ochai’s role on offence he would shoot 46% from 3. Gradey does not need to be a 3&D guy to be valuable to a team. He just needs to become a neutral defender. He can’t keep destroying lineups defensively like he currently is.

I think he can become a neutral defender bc the biggest reason for his bad defence is his lack of strength. Once he gets stronger, which he just naturally should, he’ll be passable on that end. He tries hard, cares, and has the IQ to be a good enough defender when he gets stronger. He’s also tall for his position. And the start of this past season is proof. He lost weight as the season went on, you could see it. Which makes sense bc he’s running around the court so much on offence and took on a huge role to start the season bc of the injuries. But to start the season you could see he bulked up. His defence was MUCH better to start the season than it was to end it. Strength will make a huge difference for him

If we prioritize Ochai over Gradey, I promise in 4 years or so when Gradey starts hitting his prime everyone will regret it. Now if Gradey doesn’t become a neutral defender then we can talk, but giving up on him this quickly is crazy. I’m glad none of y’all are the GM of this team lol. I’m only trading Gradey if it’s for an upgrade. Not for some mystery box draft pick lol. Be for real


they are both very different players. with that said, we have a glut at 2/3 for development so a move will probably happen this summer. ochai gives me strong norm vibes. gradey just needs to hit shots.
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Re: Silver Lining - Good things we got BI and now 4.4M under the luxury tax 

Post#102 » by djsunyc » Fri May 16, 2025 12:42 am

KawhiSoSerious wrote:Seems some on this board are more insufferable than usual


my guess...

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Re: Silver Lining - Good things we got BI and now 4.4M under the luxury tax 

Post#103 » by ConSarnit » Fri May 16, 2025 12:44 am

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Merit wrote:
This is pretty disingenuous and cynical.

It doesn’t hurt to look for silver linings, and cap space is one of them.

How about we just enjoy the season and draft and trade season before it?


How is it disingenuous? What exactly do you think $4.5m gets you in free agency? It’s one step above bottom of the barrel because it’s still even lower than the tax MLE and the BAE.

The premise of this thread is somewhat ridiculous in that we should be happy we gained $1m+ in cap space because we didn’t move up in the draft (which is worth exponentially more than whatever an extra mil will get us on the open market).

“Chin up everyone! I know we fell in the draft but we can now afford a slightly better 10th man”

Being negative about a thread that is supposed to just show a small positive to a **** situation says more about you than us, friend.


Imagine Masai came out after the lottery and said “well we didn’t move up but we gained $1m in cap space”. He’d be laughed off the podium. What are we doing here? Are our expectations that low? You know as well as anyone that an extra $1m means nothing for us.
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Re: Silver Lining - Good things we got BI and now 4.4M under the luxury tax 

Post#104 » by mdenny » Fri May 16, 2025 12:55 am

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earthtone wrote:I don’t think its fair to expect any 20/21 year-olds to be rotation players on championship contenders (OKC excluded of course), but even then I still think Ja’Kobe might crack the rotation ahead of him. Dick & Ja’Kobe have been better, more highly-touted players than Ochai at every stage in their development, and I haven’t seen anything to change that so far.

Maybe because you followed Dick and Jakobe more closely. Walter is the lowest pick of them all. Dick was 13th. Agbaji was 14th.

Agbaji was FInal Four MVP, 1st team all-american, Big12 POTY, etc. I think it is unfair to say the other two were more highly-touted.
I may be over-valuing how good JaKobe was to finish the season, but I’m not sure Ochai does anything better defensively aside from weak-side rim protecting.
Even if they are comparable defensively, I think Ochai has better plug and play attributes with his cutting and shooting. Jakobe could easily surpass him.

And for 3&D players I agree that they’re hard to find especially the better they are at both, but I also think that its easier to scale down a guy from an offensive creator into a 3&D role than it is to do the opposite.
Sure, except Dick has zero ability to ever be 3+D. He simply is never going to be good on the "D" part.



It's pointless talking to the shiny new toy ppl. They will forever be infatuated with mystery boxes. (Not to imply that earthtone is among them)

They spent years making thousands of posts lamenting the Thad young trade when the average expectation of a 20 something pick is much less than what Agbaji is now.

The whole thing worldview is simple. They severely overvalue future draft picks and 1st/2nd year players. They severely under-value 3rd/4th year players.

They are infatuated by unknowns because for them....it's a roulette wheel shot at the next kobe. It's crazy how they are extremely overly optimistic and extremely overly pessimistic about the exact same players respectfully, between age ranges of 18 to 21 and 21 to 24 lol.

They should've never given us video games. This is why they mockingly refer to terms such as "experience" and "team culture". Those things don't exist in video game algorithms. So they are make-believe.

Just think about how long and hard ppl lamented losing the 22nd pick. Then they are jaded about Agbaji and don't believe you when you say "agbaji's career has been better than the mean expectation of a 22nd pick".
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Re: Silver Lining - Good things we got BI and now 4.4M under the luxury tax 

Post#105 » by YogurtProducer » Fri May 16, 2025 4:10 am

ConSarnit wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
How is it disingenuous? What exactly do you think $4.5m gets you in free agency? It’s one step above bottom of the barrel because it’s still even lower than the tax MLE and the BAE.

The premise of this thread is somewhat ridiculous in that we should be happy we gained $1m+ in cap space because we didn’t move up in the draft (which is worth exponentially more than whatever an extra mil will get us on the open market).

“Chin up everyone! I know we fell in the draft but we can now afford a slightly better 10th man”

Being negative about a thread that is supposed to just show a small positive to a **** situation says more about you than us, friend.


Imagine Masai came out after the lottery and said “well we didn’t move up but we gained $1m in cap space”. He’d be laughed off the podium. What are we doing here? Are our expectations that low? You know as well as anyone that an extra $1m means nothing for us.

Cool. Move on. Go to a different thread
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