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Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengue

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Bryant, CMB or Essengua?

carter bryant
51
53%
cmb
12
12%
noa essengua
34
35%
 
Total votes: 97

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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#21 » by RoteSchroder » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:08 pm

junot111 wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:Bryant - A better athlete than basketball player. Lateral quickness/ability to stay in front of his man on defense isn't that great for a guy who's supposed to be an elite defender. Ability to go North/South with the ball on offense is lacking.

CMB - Strong floor, but also not the best perimeter defender, better suited for small ball PF. Not a believer in his shooting form, I'd project a slow and painful progression, but you never know.

Essengue - highest offensive upside of the three, worst post-D and strength of the three.

junot111 wrote:I haven't seen any flashes of a star player from his highlights. He has a physical advantage and he knows how to use it. That is a skill, but will it translate to the nba? Outside of that he hasn't shown any on ball creation, no coast to coast plays, no passing ability, no ball handling, no difficult shot making. From what I can see he plays physical and knows how to move off the ball. He can be a fine player but I'm not seeing the hype based off the German league games that people keep bringing up


He has shown every single point you mentioned. It's just not frequent and very unpolished. If you like Essengue, you need to believe that he 1) has something to build on and 2) has the ability to improve on it (e.g. go from OG-level handles to Durant-level handles).

If you watch his games from 10 months ago, he had a few more on-ball plays in half-court settings where he got to the rim, but they ended up as misses or him getting fouled. You see a lot more "3 point line to rim" plays from Essengue than Carter Bryant.

E.g.


Half court settings:
0:09 - behind the back to a drive at the rim
0:36 - goes the other way off the screen, cross over to the rim
0:59 - simple baseline drive from the mid-range
1:19 - another 1 v 1 drive
1:36 - another 1 v 1 drive
2:08 - another drive past his man
2:13 - another drive attempt

There are a ton of bad misses and air balls in this footage including clunked FT's, but he's gotten better as the season progressed and will likely get even better still. The take away is that he's slashing past his man on every drive without dribbling off his foot. Seven half court driving attempts and he got past his man in all seven. This is someone with "no handles". What's it gonna look like with more training and development?

Now find me a half court slashing reel for Carter Bryant.

Thanks for sharing. This was hard to watch, he looked like Precious Achiuwa with a green light to shoot. I guess his coaches reeled him in to play within his role as the season went on so maybe that's a credit to his coachability. For the record, I don't think Carter Bryant's ceiling is any higher. But these lowlights haven't quite sold me and he has a LONG way to go to reach his potential. It's giving 2 years away from 2 years away vibes


Precious was a solid defender, had good strength, but low offensive IQ, so pretty much nothing like Essengue, who still needs work defensively, is weak, but excels off ball on O and is good at cuts/play finishing.

The slashing attempts seem to be around 0-2 per game at the moment. But everyone improves at different rates. In that vid you saw him clunking a lot of FT’s. He was at 50-58% a couple years ago and is in the mid-70’s now. Same thing with shooting, still not great, but noticeable improvement.

Successful self-creation ability from 11:22:


I would also say it doesn’t matter if he takes 4 years to get there, the key is more so getting there.
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#22 » by gerrit4 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:19 pm

I really like Carter Bryant - I get the hype. Great size, athleticism, and player type. But the consensus about him seems to be that he's a "safe pick" as a 3 & D guy, even though he only scored 6 points a game. I think he's still an upside pick. At least with Essengue, we're seeing him actually perform and get significant minutes/numbers.
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#23 » by RoteSchroder » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:58 pm

gerrit4 wrote:I really like Carter Bryant - I get the hype. Great size, athleticism, and player type. But the consensus about him seems to be that he's a "safe pick" as a 3 & D guy, even though he only scored 6 points a game. I think he's still an upside pick. At least with Essengue, we're seeing him actually perform and get significant minutes/numbers.


Bryant doesn’t have great one on one defense. More of a help defender. Has very low offensive upside. The first step isn’t there. Good shooting potential though. There are like 20 players I’d probably take over him.
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#24 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:28 pm

If I was confident Noa could be a 3 I'd say him easily
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#25 » by Morse Code » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:29 pm

Badonkadonk wrote:
bobbyp3588 wrote:Noa is so young still and already competing hard and successfully against grown ass men. Lots of room to still improve and if he can add weight which he should be able to do, then he’s a star in the making.

One negative is that the German league isn't at the same level as several other top European leagues where prospects have been gauged vs. mature competition, like in Spain, France or the Adriatic (incl. Serbia).

I still think Noa is intriguing but that's definitely a wild card, especially if you watch him on video and you see the guys he's playing against.

This is my thing. People see this kid just being a freight train getting to the line, but don't realize these "grown men" are not good athletes or players. That league has historically produced some very poor prospects.
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#26 » by treerollins » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:16 pm

bryant all day. in a vacuum i prefer cmb but he doesn’t fit next to scottie and i don’t see how giving up on scottie is an option after we just maxed him. only way is in a giannis deal and then cmb becomes duplicative again next to him. essengue just doesn’t have any standout skill even though he’s performing well i don’t have confidence it’ll translate to the nba.
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#27 » by raincityraptors » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:19 pm

I love all 3 of these guys so this poll is so interesting.

I would love to see CMB get to Golden State or somewhere else where he can get the space he needs to operate instead of having to avoid him in minutes with Jak and Scottie.

I would have gone with Carter Bryant if I hadn't seen Noa's most recent highlights/playoff games. The kid is growing and starting to put it all together. I think Carter is going to be a solid 3 and D but don't see him becoming the next OG. I can definitely see him becoming better than Ochai and slotting nicely in RJ's starting slot. (Sorry to my favorite player)

At this stage we have to take the BPA and the best player available is Noa (in this poll anyway).
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengua 

Post#28 » by Badonkadonk » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:14 am

junot111 wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:Bryant - A better athlete than basketball player. Lateral quickness/ability to stay in front of his man on defense isn't that great for a guy who's supposed to be an elite defender. Ability to go North/South with the ball on offense is lacking.

CMB - Strong floor, but also not the best perimeter defender, better suited for small ball PF. Not a believer in his shooting form, I'd project a slow and painful progression, but you never know.

Essengue - highest offensive upside of the three, worst post-D and strength of the three.

junot111 wrote:I haven't seen any flashes of a star player from his highlights. He has a physical advantage and he knows how to use it. That is a skill, but will it translate to the nba? Outside of that he hasn't shown any on ball creation, no coast to coast plays, no passing ability, no ball handling, no difficult shot making. From what I can see he plays physical and knows how to move off the ball. He can be a fine player but I'm not seeing the hype based off the German league games that people keep bringing up


He has shown every single point you mentioned. It's just not frequent and very unpolished. If you like Essengue, you need to believe that he 1) has something to build on and 2) has the ability to improve on it (e.g. go from OG-level handles to Durant-level handles).

If you watch his games from 10 months ago, he had a few more on-ball plays in half-court settings where he got to the rim, but they ended up as misses or him getting fouled. You see a lot more "3 point line to rim" plays from Essengue than Carter Bryant.

E.g.


Half court settings:
0:09 - behind the back to a drive at the rim
0:36 - goes the other way off the screen, cross over to the rim
0:59 - simple baseline drive from the mid-range
1:19 - another 1 v 1 drive
1:36 - another 1 v 1 drive
2:08 - another drive past his man
2:13 - another drive attempt

There are a ton of bad misses and air balls in this footage including clunked FT's, but he's gotten better as the season progressed and will likely get even better still. The take away is that he's slashing past his man on every drive without dribbling off his foot. Seven half court driving attempts and he got past his man in all seven. This is someone with "no handles". What's it gonna look like with more training and development?

Now find me a half court slashing reel for Carter Bryant.

Thanks for sharing. This was hard to watch, he looked like Precious Achiuwa with a green light to shoot. I guess his coaches reeled him in to play within his role as the season went on so maybe that's a credit to his coachability. For the record, I don't think Carter Bryant's ceiling is any higher. But these lowlights haven't quite sold me and he has a LONG way to go to reach his potential. It's giving 2 years away from 2 years away vibes

Also thought this was weak. He may turn into something, but underwhelmed by what I see him doing against truly awful competition.
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Re: Draft Poll: Bryant, CMB or Essengue 

Post#29 » by Psubs » Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:48 pm

He seems like he could be the next Jaden McDaniels. His floor is Jalen McDaniels, though I see some Dalano Banton/Bruno Caboclo mix as his floor.
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