Better Return: Siakam or KD

[YogurtProducer]

Was not trying to make it look worse. You guys need to chill with assuming everything is anti Masai it’s exhausting

I never even said Masai's name; you did.

I am simply pointing to the perplexing idea to ignore the actual return.

I’m not interested in that because Phoenix has yet to do anything with their return yet. How can you compare follow up moves when only one team has had that chance? So yeah, I’m judging based solely on the initial return. There’s a lot of statistical evidence to suggest Phoenix is better off trading Green, who probably has some value as a trad chip.but hey if they keep him past the trade deadline and draft a dud at 10 then yeah disaster of a return for sure. We won’t know for sometime.

Well when they do, we can compare at that time. But as of now, the returns are what the returns are.

If the Suns turn around and trade the 10 and Green for a star, are you gonna say “we aren’t allowed to discuss the folks up deals” lol **** no, the goalposts would shift.

[Basketball_Jones]

I never even said Masai's name; you did.

I am simply pointing to the perplexing idea to ignore the actual return.

I’m not interested in that because Phoenix has yet to do anything with their return yet. How can you compare follow up moves when only one team has had that chance? So yeah, I’m judging based solely on the initial return. There’s a lot of statistical evidence to suggest Phoenix is better off trading Green, who probably has some value as a trad chip.but hey if they keep him past the trade deadline and draft a dud at 10 then yeah disaster of a return for sure. We won’t know for sometime.

Well when they do, we can compare at that time. But as of now, the returns are what the returns are.

If the Suns turn around and trade the 10 and Green for a star, are you gonna say “we aren’t allowed to discuss the folks up deals” lol **** no, the goalposts would shift.

Yes, they will always shift when talking hypotheticals. What if Ingram misses 60 games? What if they trade green two years from now, it never ends. So no, I will not get dragged into discussing the follow up deals and hypothetical stuff and have already stated Masai turned water into wine with what he got.

[greekman]

would rather have ingram than siakam and green than durant. so both win.

[RoteSchroder]

The Siakam trade was missing a young rotation player, one of Nembhard, Nesmith, Mathurin or even Jarace Walker.

I’m not a fan of teams trading too many assets for Durant in general. He’s a very short term fix, although I guess Houston is position to make a move, they have a very narrow window. Durant also has never won as a clear cut alpha in his prime, never mind at 37+. So there’s a strong possibility that you’re trading for 1-3 years of treadmilling, though it’s hard to say in today’s league.

Phoenix got more value for Durant than they should have. Meaning they got the better deal, relatively speaking.

[RoteSchroder]

That's a disengenuous analysis. What you should be looking at is what players were available at #10 in those years. These are just the All-Stars taken at #10+ in each of those years.

2024: No one of note/too early to tell
2023: No one of note/too early to tell (McCain looked promising before his injury).
2022: Jalen Williams
2021: Sengun
2020: Haliburton, Maxey
2019: Herro

Playing revisionist history is silly. Maxey? Really? Just because a player was available doesn't mean it was likely and/or feasible for them to be taken at #10. The reality is the odds of getting a good player with any single draft pick is much lower than fans like to think it is.

Unless your the Toronto Raptors, Oklaholma City Thunder, Indiana Pacers, Spurs, Heat, Magic. Theres teams that have a good track record and teams that dont. The 10th pick is much more valuable for the Raptors than it is for the Suns.

It seems very unlikely to me that Masai would completely miss with a top 10. Chance would be very small to say the least (hope I’m not jinxing it for this draft)

[Los_29]

I think you have to factor in contracts here. Green is a bad basketball player at this point of his career and makes a lot of money. The 10th pick is a nice get.

If you look at our final return it’s better but you could say the same thing about Phoenix. Maybe they draft a star at 10.

[TravisScott55]

I'd love to have Jalen Green

Not seeing it for Jalen Green.

People around here think that RJ has negative value...meanwhile someone wants Green? He isn't an upgrade over RJ. He's worse than RJ actually. In no universe would I take Green over Barrett.

Then you're overrating Barrett, like most Raptor fans are

[mtcan]

I'd love to have Jalen Green

Not seeing it for Jalen Green.

People around here think that RJ has negative value...meanwhile someone wants Green? He isn't an upgrade over RJ. He's worse than RJ actually. In no universe would I take Green over Barrett.

Then you're overrating Barrett, like most Raptor fans are

Not at all. Green was basically unplayable in the playoffs. He wasn't defending and he certainly wasn't scoring...and that's supposed to be his thing.

The only area in which Jalen is substantially better is free throw shooting. Barrett was far more efficient from the field...their 3 pt % is basically the same (35.1% vs 35.4%) but RJ is a better rebounder and passer.

[OakleyDokely]

Green is the prime example of the high draft pick premium. He gets a longer leash, more opportunity, and a contract he doesn't deserve based almost entirely on this draft position.

If he was pick #22 instead of #2, he'd be lucky to get a 2nd contract around the MLE in a bench role.

He's an empty calorie guy who doesn't contribute to winning and was basically just filler in the KD trade. The Suns weren't after another SG but they needed his salary. The trade was for pick 10. I'd be shocked if he lasts more than a season or two with the Suns.

[Merit]

What revisionist history? WTF are you even talking about? I've been saying the same thing about this trade since day one. My opinion isn't this board's opinion as not everyone agrees with each other anyway.

WTF are you even talking about? My opinion isn’t this board’s opinion since not everyone agrees with each other anyway.

Now that saying nothing is out of the way, I was not attacking you. I was speaking to the general sentiment on the board. Like I said, it’s a wash for me.

If you want to speak to general sentiment of the board, then do it without quoting someone who has nothing to do with it or whatever weird **** you got going on here.

Or you’re missing something. Totally weird hey.

[HumbleRen]

Not seeing it for Jalen Green.

People around here think that RJ has negative value...meanwhile someone wants Green? He isn't an upgrade over RJ. He's worse than RJ actually. In no universe would I take Green over Barrett.

Then you're overrating Barrett, like most Raptor fans are

Not at all. Green was basically unplayable in the playoffs. He wasn't defending and he certainly wasn't scoring...and that's supposed to be his thing.

The only area in which Jalen is substantially better is free throw shooting. Barrett was far more efficient from the field...their 3 pt % is basically the same (35.1% vs 35.4%) but RJ is a better rebounder and passer.

Isn’t this basically a mid off? They both pretty much had identical numbers in their first playoff appearances.