Would you have traded #9 for the Pelicans package?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Teams fall in love at the draft. These trades are hard to make. Masai made this same kind of offer when he first took over and we were a garbage team with a bleak outlook, and Presti said 'nah, I want Steven Adams.' No one else took the bait, not Donny Nelson Jr, not Danny Ainge. Masai would have drafted Giannis and the trade would have been a massive rip off for Toronto.

I don't blame teams for turning it down, except Portland who traded down anyway. You should always trust your own work and be willing to be judged on that.

[OhCanada]

CMB better be good because the Pelicans wont be.

[YogurtProducer]

Just another head scratching decision to not pull the trigger. This roster needs long term upside, and we missed out on the potential of that.

Pick #9 and #23 very well finish within 7% rating in 2-3 years

Pels pick might be 40-80% higher rating then #9

If they had a Top 5 grade on CMB, trade makes a lot less sense.

And what if they had 9-10th grade on CMB, which is a lot more likely…

Well, considering we took him 9th I’d say there is a 0% chance we had a 10th grade on him

It’s also INCREDIBLY unlikely we had a chalk draft board and CMB was 9th. Almost certainly there was a guy or 2 who got taken before him we didnt like

[YogurtProducer]

Link?

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/s/vdxTDvTzBl

Take this with a grain of salt but per Shams, the first pick of the second round is "currently being auctioned off to the highest bidder" and, per Matt Lloyd, "last year Toronto got great offers for the 31st overall pick, including some future 1st rounders."

Keep in mind that the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round doesn't count against the cap due to the new second round exception under the much maligned new CBA so while a team may not get that 4th year for a rookie scale contract, they do get some notable cap flexibility compared to, say, pick no. 26-30 in the 1st round.

Sweet christ that is actual malpractice. I'm sure there will be people defending this stupidity as well.

Well yeah, because we don’t know what the offers were

There’s lots of reasons for GMs to prefer #31 over a late first due to the cap reasons.

It would be stupid to trade 31 for a 2032 heavily protected 1st.

[Los_29]

Just another head scratching decision to not pull the trigger. This roster needs long term upside, and we missed out on the potential of that.

Pick #9 and #23 very well finish within 7% rating in 2-3 years

Pels pick might be 40-80% higher rating then #9

If they had a Top 5 grade on CMB, trade makes a lot less sense.

And what if they had 9-10th grade on CMB, which is a lot more likely…

What? We had the 9th pick in the draft so having a 10th grade on CMB is not only unlikely but impossible. To have the 9th grade on CMB would mean that everyone in their top 8 was drafted before their pick which is also incredibly unlikely.

I’d love for you to explain your reasoning here.

[hyper316]

Masai was on his way out, Bobby's future is uncertain if a new president come in, why would Bobby pass up opportunity to draft now and solidify his worth to MLSE rather than trade it for a 2026 pick that he may not be around for

[CPT]

I’d love to add a poll to this for future reference.

Not “would you do it?” because, who cares.

“Do we believe this offer was available and turned down?” I need to know how much I can complain about this in the next 1-5 years.

[Thaddy]

I would do that deal. I thought it over there's a chance that's a lottery pick. Combine that with RJ and you can potentially sell a lotto pick with an expiring (worst case). That should hypothetically get a big fish. If it's not enough throw in Dick.

Poeltl / Fleming
Barnes / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji
Fish /Walter
IQ / Shead

We'd have enough juice to get pretty far with that if we have decent prospect improvements.

[Rapsalot]

Yes because chances are good that 1 of Bucks / Pels will be top 10 pick next year.
Added we would be under tax with 23 player and if we wanted a Def wing Rashers Fleming could have been had. That is a little hindsight. But, certainly there were big wings, big PGs or C on the board that could help roster and depth.

[Raps Next GM]

It seems so obvious that the Raptors should have accepted this, not just my own opinion but based on results of this poll and media reaction which was astonishment that the Pelicans would be so dumb.
I have to wonder if uncertainty regarding Masai and the future of the front office played a part in them rejecting the deal.
If any of them were worried about their job, two picks that cannot help until 2026 at the earliest (their own plus the Pelicans’) wouldn’t help their cause this season, which might serve as a final audition to stay on.
But bringing in CMB this season should yield some contribution and promise as to why they should keep their jobs.

[sidsid]

Teams fall in love at the draft. These trades are hard to make. Masai made this same kind of offer when he first took over and we were a garbage team with a bleak outlook, and Presti said 'nah, I want Steven Adams.' No one else took the bait, not Donny Nelson Jr, not Danny Ainge. Masai would have drafted Giannis and the trade would have been a massive rip off for Toronto.

I don't blame teams for turning it down, except Portland who traded down anyway. You should always trust your own work and be willing to be judged on that.

I don't think draft fever was the issue for the FO. The 9th wasn't just available for Durant, it's been peddled around with RJ for who knows what else. I think it's more likely that a pick in the future doesn't have value in their approach. The pattern in this FO's trade history is for players on existing contracts over drafting at all. The forced Siakam return likely an outlier to what they prefer (the OG trade).

We'll see if Patrick Williams gets dealt and for what, but that was the other avenue to solve one of the RJ issues around cutting salary. But again, draft capital that you can send to Joe Dumars for a future pick isn't something they're looking for in these big salary moves. And they like to lard up the cap with their own signings, not someone else's mistakes (see RJ again).

If the FO was on a path where they kept the Pacers pick, likely traded Jak for Lakers picks or whatever, then you can see them making the 9th or Bulls trade for that future. It likely was never seriously considered at all on our path.

[mihaic]

CMB better be good because the Pelicans wont be.

There will probably be someone better at next year's Pelicans pick. But that may not be the BPA anyways.
If CMB will be better than the BPA at the Pelicans puck, that's reasonable enough.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Teams fall in love at the draft. These trades are hard to make. Masai made this same kind of offer when he first took over and we were a garbage team with a bleak outlook, and Presti said 'nah, I want Steven Adams.' No one else took the bait, not Donny Nelson Jr, not Danny Ainge. Masai would have drafted Giannis and the trade would have been a massive rip off for Toronto.

I don't blame teams for turning it down, except Portland who traded down anyway. You should always trust your own work and be willing to be judged on that.

I don't think draft fever was the issue for the FO. The 9th wasn't just available for Durant, it's been peddled around with RJ for who knows what else. I think it's more likely that a pick in the future doesn't have value in their approach. The pattern in this FO's trade history is for players on existing contracts over drafting at all. The forced Siakam return likely an outlier to what they prefer (the OG trade).

We'll see if Patrick Williams gets dealt and for what, but that was the other avenue to solve one of the RJ issues around cutting salary. But again, draft capital that you can send to Joe Dumars for a future pick isn't something they're looking for in these big salary moves. And they like to lard up the cap with their own signings, not someone else's mistakes (see RJ again).

If the FO was on a path where they kept the Pacers pick, likely traded Jak for Lakers picks or whatever, then you can see them making the 9th or Bulls trade for that future. It likely was never seriously considered at all on our path.

The reporting was those trades were available prior to Masai being let go, which was June 9th. This is not the same as having your guy available while on the clock and Joe Dumars calls asking you to trade this draft for tomorrows.

The Pat Williams rumour was from a journalist. It wasn't an actual thing that was discussed.

[NotMyKawhi]

We dont want the 9th pick. Its too high. We will take the 13th pick instead.

Said no one ever