Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[djsunyc]

yup - it's like when pascal made 2nd team all-nba and blew up the cap.

[canada_dry]

This is a really poor take ignoring everything else that goes into basketball. Not everything is about scoring. Passing does in fact generate offense. Every hear about a player named Nikola Jokić?

It isn't as binary as that. Jokic is a hyper-efficient guy who just scored almost 30 ppg on a season, and has range. It does meaningfully impact his ability to make plays for others, as does his dramatically superior playmaking ability. He isn't a problematically-inefficient scorer with weak range and poor screening ability. It's just not a good example.

You're not wrong about playmaking more generally, though. Scottie's pretty valuable to us off of a DRB, kickstarting the break and wielding his passing there. And he does know how to manage a PnR pretty well. He's got good vision and technical passing ability. The trouble is, you mostly need a good number of possessions to leverage that meaningfully, so generally, you need to be able to score. And given our team's particulars, stacking "bleh" to "crap" scorers together isn't a good move for trying to uplift our offense, even with playmaking.


Now, we have new options this year as long as BI and Quick are healthy, so that's a good start. And maybe Darko will deploy Scottie a little differently now that we are actively trying to win. No more reason to just blindly experiment and see how it goes, after all. So maybe he'll find a way to help Scottie look better inside this new environment. There's lots to suggest that there will be more room for everyone to maneuver, at least while we're healthy to start.

Scottie and Jokic average almost identical ppg their first 4 years as players. It wasn't till Jokic's year 6 that his offence went from 19.9 ppg to 26.4 ppg. So lets not pretend he was some juggernaut out of the gate. It only makes sense for a Centre to be more efficient on offence. Especially with Scottie taking more 3s.

Jokic was being chastised for not scaling up his scoring more often because he was very capable of doing so as hesl's proven. EVERYONE wanted him to shoot more because of how undeniably skilled he was.

Kinda the opposite situation for scottie...they're not comparable.

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[Reeko]

I don't get why people are getting geeked at watching Mobley play 5 on 5 against a bunch of nobodies who he's at least half a foot taller than. That kind of stuff means absolutely nothing. Pretty sure it was David Thorpe who said that he doesn't see a lot of value in guys playing pick up games in terms of skill development. Actually working on individual skills is the most important thing. There's video out there of Scottie playing pick up and against actual NBA guys too. I promise you he's not just awkwardly rollerblading around town for the entire off season.

[Clutch0z24]

This year will be the first year Barnes will have a team as talented as his rookie year around him here.....Imo this is the year Barnes has to actually show he can bring a team to Ws or if he will be a good player on a below .500 team all his career....No excuses no more....

If we struggle to make the playoffs i think you have to start thinking about alot with the roster and what trades we have to make including Barnes himself....Good player but we have not really won with him.

[binjumper]

It isn't as binary as that. Jokic is a hyper-efficient guy who just scored almost 30 ppg on a season, and has range. It does meaningfully impact his ability to make plays for others, as does his dramatically superior playmaking ability. He isn't a problematically-inefficient scorer with weak range and poor screening ability. It's just not a good example.

You're not wrong about playmaking more generally, though. Scottie's pretty valuable to us off of a DRB, kickstarting the break and wielding his passing there. And he does know how to manage a PnR pretty well. He's got good vision and technical passing ability. The trouble is, you mostly need a good number of possessions to leverage that meaningfully, so generally, you need to be able to score. And given our team's particulars, stacking "bleh" to "crap" scorers together isn't a good move for trying to uplift our offense, even with playmaking.


Now, we have new options this year as long as BI and Quick are healthy, so that's a good start. And maybe Darko will deploy Scottie a little differently now that we are actively trying to win. No more reason to just blindly experiment and see how it goes, after all. So maybe he'll find a way to help Scottie look better inside this new environment. There's lots to suggest that there will be more room for everyone to maneuver, at least while we're healthy to start.

Scottie and Jokic average almost identical ppg their first 4 years as players. It wasn't till Jokic's year 6 that his offence went from 19.9 ppg to 26.4 ppg. So lets not pretend he was some juggernaut out of the gate. It only makes sense for a Centre to be more efficient on offence. Especially with Scottie taking more 3s.

Jokic was being chastised for not scaling up his scoring more often because he was very capable of doing so as hesl's proven. EVERYONE wanted him to shoot more because of how undeniably skilled he was.

Kinda the opposite situation for scottie...they're not comparable.

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Not comparing the two especially in terms of scoring. It was tsherkin who brought up the scoring efficiency. I am saying his play making and passing are great skills to have. Clearly the NBA values a player like Scottie.

[tsherkin]

Scottie and Jokic average almost identical ppg their first 4 years as players. It wasn't till Jokic's year 6 that his offence went from 19.9 ppg to 26.4 ppg. So lets not pretend he was some juggernaut out of the gate. It only makes sense for a Centre to be more efficient on offence. Especially with Scottie taking more 3s.

Jokic was being chastised for not scaling up his scoring more often because he was very capable of doing so as hesl's proven. EVERYONE wanted him to shoot more because of how undeniably skilled he was.

Kinda the opposite situation for scottie...they're not comparable.

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Not comparing the two especially in terms of scoring. It was tsherkin who brought up the scoring efficiency. I am saying his play making and passing are great skills to have. Clearly the NBA values a player like Scottie.

Yes his playmaking is a nice to have. Its utility is throttled some by his scoring threat buy we have seen even in contemporary ball that jt can work out (especially because of his D). It is more a matter of best use case than discarding the player.

[Basketball_Jones]

Scottie really wants to be an on ball player and I kind of think he purposefully is just bad at setting screens because he wants that. Him and Mobley are both trying to be on ball guys. End of day, neither of those two will or should have that type of freedom in game to do what they do in these workout vids. Mobleys always had that stuff he just isn’t good enough at the nba level unless he simplifies and goes more Chris bosh/Garnett or even Dirk type of moves. Scottie I really don’t see any type of comparison for him to aspire to that’s realistic there.

[tsherkin]

Scottie really wants to be an on ball player and I kind of think he purposefully is just bad at setting screens because he wants that.

We pretty badly need Scottie to find a way to shoot less, screen better and more and stop needing to be on-ball so much, because he's not very good at it. The passing, sure, but we can leverage that by letting him grab DRBs and run in transition. Beyond that, his value to us on offense is in offensive rebounding and should also come from using those shoulders in some useful manner. It's so frustrating watching him play most of the time.