Celtics sign Chris Boucher to 1yr deal

[Basketball_Jones]

I think most of us are surprised Boucher didn’t fetch anything. But at that point it’s just penny pinching, can’t have expected much either way.

[YogurtProducer]

We probably made him lost alot of money, granted we overpaid him on his last contract but still, that's pretty lame of the FO to hurt his money like that.

We lost him exactly $0.

No one needed to watch Boucher play on a tanking team to decide if they were going to pay him this off-season. The money around the league is just dried up.

I just don’t believe that at all. We jerked him around for 2 years straight.

By jerked around you mean let him play? Lol

[HumbleRen]

We lost him exactly $0.

No one needed to watch Boucher play on a tanking team to decide if they were going to pay him this off-season. The money around the league is just dried up.

I just don’t believe that at all. We jerked him around for 2 years straight.

Better players got the same deal
Bruce Brown is on a minimum

I think Bruce could of gotten more, he just really wanted to go back to Denver

[Los_29]

We probably made him lost alot of money, granted we overpaid him on his last contract but still, that's pretty lame of the FO to hurt his money like that.

We lost him exactly $0.

No one needed to watch Boucher play on a tanking team to decide if they were going to pay him this off-season. The money around the league is just dried up.

I just don’t believe that at all. We jerked him around for 2 years straight.

Boucher is a 32 year old vet. They know what he can do.

[OakleyDokely]

Boucher: 1/3
Champagnie: 1/3
McDerermott: 1/3
Okogie: 1/3
CP: 1/3
Anthony: 1/3
Landale: 1/3
Dinwiddie: 1/3
Plumlee: 1/3
Bagley: 1/3
Hardaway Jr: 1/3
Brown Jr: 1/3
Eubanks: 1/3
A Holiday: 1/3
Lowry: 1/3
Clarkson: 1/3


There isn't much of a market for deeper bench pieces, especially older ones. Unless you're a key starter, or one of the first guys off the bench, you aren't getting big money anymore. The 7-12 player market has been completely destroyed.

[oldncreaky]

Boucher: 1/3
Champagnie: 1/3
McDerermott: 1/3
Okogie: 1/3
CP: 1/3
Anthony: 1/3
Landale: 1/3
Dinwiddie: 1/3
Plumlee: 1/3
Bagley: 1/3
Hardaway Jr: 1/3
Brown Jr: 1/3
Eubanks: 1/3
A Holiday: 1/3
Lowry: 1/3
Clarkson: 1/3


There isn't much of a market for deeper bench pieces, especially older ones. Unless you're a key starter, or one of the first guys off the bench, you aren't getting big money anymore. The 7-12 player market has been completely destroyed.

I think the bolded is a great point.

Under the current CBA, luxury taxes kick in at 122%, the first apron is at 126%, and the dreaded 2nd apron is at $134% of the salary cap. If your FO budgets at the 1st apron, that leaves something like
Starters 90% ==> (A max guy, a couple of near max guys, a couple of guys around the NTMLE)
Bench 25% ==> (A couple of key backups on NTMLE or TPMLE deals, 3 non-lotto rookies and/or min. vets)
3rd string 10% ==> (all guys on the minimum salary)

If you are not
- a starter
or
- good enough to be a good 6th man (like a good backup PG, microwave scorer or first big of the bench)
then there really isn't any money available on even a middling team, let alone a contender

[Tom_Foolery]

Salute to SlimmDuck.

[webeye]

I was really hoping he'd land on the Warriors. I'd like to still be able to root for him.

I'm in all ways incapable of rooting for the Celtics.

[Young Moosehead]

Boucher: 1/3
Champagnie: 1/3
McDerermott: 1/3
Okogie: 1/3
CP: 1/3
Anthony: 1/3
Landale: 1/3
Dinwiddie: 1/3
Plumlee: 1/3
Bagley: 1/3
Hardaway Jr: 1/3
Brown Jr: 1/3
Eubanks: 1/3
A Holiday: 1/3
Lowry: 1/3
Clarkson: 1/3


There isn't much of a market for deeper bench pieces, especially older ones. Unless you're a key starter, or one of the first guys off the bench, you aren't getting big money anymore. The 7-12 player market has been completely destroyed.

I think the bolded is a great point.

Under the current CBA, luxury taxes kick in at 122%, the first apron is at 126%, and the dreaded 2nd apron is at $134% of the salary cap. If your FO budgets at the 1st apron, that leaves something like
Starters 90% ==> (A max guy, a couple of near max guys, a couple of guys around the NTMLE)
Bench 25% ==> (A couple of key backups on NTMLE or TPMLE deals, 3 non-lotto rookies and/or min. vets)
3rd string 10% ==> (all guys on the minimum salary)

If you are not
- a starter
or
- good enough to be a good 6th man (like a good backup PG, microwave scorer or first big of the bench)
then there really isn't any money available on even a middling team, let alone a contender

Yeah, this is becoming more clear this summer. There is even a pinch on 4-6.

I even saw a couple of online Raptors news reports (so take it with a grain of salt) that some teams like the Warriors and Bulls are pissed with us over the contracts we have given out in recent years to Jak, Quick, BI and RJ (even though we didnt sign that one). Because now players like Giddey and Kuminga have a "skewed" visions of what they should be making (according to their teams).

Who knows, maybe if teams push too far, being too cheap and frustrate some top quality players there becomes an inefficiency in the market for us to leap on. We do have a rep for paying guys

[oldncreaky]

Boucher: 1/3
Champagnie: 1/3
McDerermott: 1/3
Okogie: 1/3
CP: 1/3
Anthony: 1/3
Landale: 1/3
Dinwiddie: 1/3
Plumlee: 1/3
Bagley: 1/3
Hardaway Jr: 1/3
Brown Jr: 1/3
Eubanks: 1/3
A Holiday: 1/3
Lowry: 1/3
Clarkson: 1/3


There isn't much of a market for deeper bench pieces, especially older ones. Unless you're a key starter, or one of the first guys off the bench, you aren't getting big money anymore. The 7-12 player market has been completely destroyed.

I think the bolded is a great point.

Under the current CBA, luxury taxes kick in at 122%, the first apron is at 126%, and the dreaded 2nd apron is at $134% of the salary cap. If your FO budgets at the 1st apron, that leaves something like
Starters 90% ==> (A max guy, a couple of near max guys, a couple of guys around the NTMLE)
Bench 25% ==> (A couple of key backups on NTMLE or TPMLE deals, 3 non-lotto rookies and/or min. vets)
3rd string 10% ==> (all guys on the minimum salary)

If you are not
- a starter
or
- good enough to be a good 6th man (like a good backup PG, microwave scorer or first big of the bench)
then there really isn't any money available on even a middling team, let alone a contender

Yeah, this is becoming more clear this summer. There is even a pinch on 4-6.

I even saw a couple of online Raptors news reports (so take it with a grain of salt) that some teams like the Warriors and Bulls are pissed with us over the contracts we have given out in recent years to Jak, Quick, BI and RJ (even though we didnt sign that one). Because now players like Giddey and Kuminga have a "skewed" visions of what they should be making (according to their teams).

Who knows, maybe if teams push too far, being too cheap and frustrate some top quality players there becomes an inefficiency in the market for us to leap on. We do have a rep for paying guys

Agree. There seems to be a pinch on the NBA middle class, basically everyone who isn't a prennial all-NBA type or on a rookie scale contract. It seems to me teams are strating to view 3rd and even 2nd stars on max contracts as questionable too, and as you say, the non-star starters that could reliably expect 10-20% of the cap previously are now getting squeezed into MLE exceptions

As for the Bulls and Warriors whining, if it is true the hypocrisy reeks. The Bulls gave Patrick Williams a massive contract ffs, and I'm not sure he'll ever start on a .500 club! As for the Warriors, they damn near broke the model after 2016, and are a poster-child for the excesses that lead to the new restrictions in the CBA.

[steveholt]

Steal for the Celts

[ash_k]

Chris guarantees you at least 4 extra wins per season and he is a "PrimeTime"/Big game player.
Noway, I would have let him go with this current roster with BI...Just no F'n way.
This is a mistake on a playoff season.
btw have we added a former NBA head coach in our coaching staff yet?!

[DreamTeam09]

Chris guarantees you at least 4 extra wins per season and he is a "PrimeTime"/Big game player.
Noway, I would have let him go with this current roster with BI...Just no F'n way.
This is a mistake on a playoff season.
btw have we added a former NBA head coach in our coaching staff yet?!

I promise you he's not that good, as evident he signed a minimum deal in August for a team that doesn't have much bigs if any with relevant experience.
S/o to Boucher, everyone has to move on at some point

[ash_k]

Chris guarantees you at least 4 extra wins per season and he is a "PrimeTime"/Big game player.
Noway, I would have let him go with this current roster with BI...Just no F'n way.
This is a mistake on a playoff season.
btw have we added a former NBA head coach in our coaching staff yet?!

I promise you he's not that good, as evident he signed a minimum deal in August for a team that doesn't have much bigs if any with relevant experience.
S/o to Boucher, everyone has to move on at some point

Have you not been paying attention? None of those kind of players have been getting "paid": They will have to deal with that in the next CBA.
The last two seasons, he has been a "tank" buster and has had to deal with a poor coach not recognizing his value in moments when some much needed disruptive-energy was needed.
We have had him for 7 years, we know his strength and weaknesses. We know the energy he can bring off the bench especially when the team has none. Our last playoff game/game 6, he was our leading scorer.
In a coming season, when we are ready to actually compete, having that wildcard, could have been very beneficial.

[DreamTeam09]

Chris guarantees you at least 4 extra wins per season and he is a "PrimeTime"/Big game player.
Noway, I would have let him go with this current roster with BI...Just no F'n way.
This is a mistake on a playoff season.
btw have we added a former NBA head coach in our coaching staff yet?!

I promise you he's not that good, as evident he signed a minimum deal in August for a team that doesn't have much bigs if any with relevant experience.
S/o to Boucher, everyone has to move on at some point

Have you not been paying attention? None of those kind of players have been getting "paid": They will have to deal with that in the next CBA.
The last two seasons, he has been a "tank" buster and has had to deal with a poor coach not recognizing his value in moments when some much needed disruptive-energy was needed.
We have had him for 7 years, we know his strength and weaknesses. We know the energy he can bring off the bench especially when the team has none. Our last playoff game/game 6, he was our leading scorer.
In a coming season, when we are ready to actually compete, having that wildcard, could have been very beneficial.

Now name all of the flaws and the negatives of Chris Boucher & his game,
At a position of strength for us, with much younger players to be developed, not only is it understandable why he's no longer here, it's also for the best for both parties