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Post#121 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:13 am

cap situation
Operating over the cap ($154.6MM) and above the luxury tax line ($187.9MM).
Carrying approximately $190.7MM in salary ($188.4MM guaranteed).
No hard cap.
Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5,685,000) available.

Garrett Temple: One year, minimum salary. Re-signed using minimum salary exception. Waived right to veto trade.

Temple gets traded or cut & Alijah Martin gets his spot pro-rated at a # lesser than Temples 3mill vet min

Bobby a cap guy didn't leave this team with any outs, com on guys.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/08/nba-2025-offseason-check-in-toronto-raptors.html#ref=home
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Post#122 » by bluerap23 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:59 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:cap situation
Operating over the cap ($154.6MM) and above the luxury tax line ($187.9MM).
Carrying approximately $190.7MM in salary ($188.4MM guaranteed).
No hard cap.
Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5,685,000) available.

Garrett Temple: One year, minimum salary. Re-signed using minimum salary exception. Waived right to veto trade.

Temple gets traded or cut & Alijah Martin gets his spot pro-rated at a # lesser than Temples 3mill vet min

Bobby a cap guy didn't leave this team with any outs, com on guys.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/08/nba-2025-offseason-check-in-toronto-raptors.html#ref=home


If we waive Lawson we are under 1M over the tax. It will be very easy to shed that before the deadline. We've come into the season into the tax multiple times and have gotten under every year except the championship season. This is a nothing burger.
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Post#123 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Aug 22, 2025 3:22 am

bluerap23 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:cap situation
Operating over the cap ($154.6MM) and above the luxury tax line ($187.9MM).
Carrying approximately $190.7MM in salary ($188.4MM guaranteed).
No hard cap.
Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5,685,000) available.

Garrett Temple: One year, minimum salary. Re-signed using minimum salary exception. Waived right to veto trade.

Temple gets traded or cut & Alijah Martin gets his spot pro-rated at a # lesser than Temples 3mill vet min

Bobby a cap guy didn't leave this team with any outs, com on guys.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/08/nba-2025-offseason-check-in-toronto-raptors.html#ref=home


If we waive Lawson we are under 1M over the tax. It will be very easy to shed that before the deadline. We've come into the season into the tax multiple times and have gotten under every year except the championship season. This is a nothing burger.


Yeah I don't understand nearly every article I read that panics about the cap (or apron) for the Raptors. They can duck it so easily and have all season to do so.
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Post#124 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:20 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:cap situation
Operating over the cap ($154.6MM) and above the luxury tax line ($187.9MM).
Carrying approximately $190.7MM in salary ($188.4MM guaranteed).
No hard cap.
Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5,685,000) available.

Garrett Temple: One year, minimum salary. Re-signed using minimum salary exception. Waived right to veto trade.

Temple gets traded or cut & Alijah Martin gets his spot pro-rated at a # lesser than Temples 3mill vet min

Bobby a cap guy didn't leave this team with any outs, com on guys.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/08/nba-2025-offseason-check-in-toronto-raptors.html#ref=home


If we waive Lawson we are under 1M over the tax. It will be very easy to shed that before the deadline. We've come into the season into the tax multiple times and have gotten under every year except the championship season. This is a nothing burger.


Yeah I don't understand nearly every article I read that panics about the cap (or apron) for the Raptors. They can duck it so easily and have all season to do so.


It's just another talking point to crap on the Raptors from mostly American media, we are the step bros of the league who has a chip under their belt from this same mgmt structure (for the most part)

Meanwhile a realgm article has us as BUYERS for this trade deadline, everyone is all over the place
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Post#125 » by Jerry Lucas » Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:29 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
If we waive Lawson we are under 1M over the tax. It will be very easy to shed that before the deadline. We've come into the season into the tax multiple times and have gotten under every year except the championship season. This is a nothing burger.


Yeah I don't understand nearly every article I read that panics about the cap (or apron) for the Raptors. They can duck it so easily and have all season to do so.


It's just another talking point to crap on the Raptors from mostly American media, we are the step bros of the league who has a chip under their belt from this same mgmt structure (for the most part)

Meanwhile a realgm article has us as BUYERS for this trade deadline, everyone is all over the place

They are likely going to be buyers AND duck the tax by the deadline. Wouldn't be the first time they've done it either.
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Post#126 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:31 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Yeah I don't understand nearly every article I read that panics about the cap (or apron) for the Raptors. They can duck it so easily and have all season to do so.


It's just another talking point to crap on the Raptors from mostly American media, we are the step bros of the league who has a chip under their belt from this same mgmt structure (for the most part)

Meanwhile a realgm article has us as BUYERS for this trade deadline, everyone is all over the place

They are likely going to be buyers AND duck the tax by the deadline. Wouldn't be the first time they've done it either.


You don't buy something to reduce your bottom line, you would be selling to do that. That's the part that doesn't make sense
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Post#127 » by Indeed » Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:47 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
It's just another talking point to crap on the Raptors from mostly American media, we are the step bros of the league who has a chip under their belt from this same mgmt structure (for the most part)

Meanwhile a realgm article has us as BUYERS for this trade deadline, everyone is all over the place

They are likely going to be buyers AND duck the tax by the deadline. Wouldn't be the first time they've done it either.


You don't buy something to reduce your bottom line, you would be selling to do that. That's the part that doesn't make sense


The part that does not make sense is calling the trade down on pick for Young is a selling, because Dragic was clearly not interested by San Antonio.

We can get below the tax, but the question is at what cost. Our record in dealing this was never great, please dont overrate Bobby. Our record in the past few years in giving out contracts based on salary have clearly not done well to our record. From overpaying Trent, Quickley, etc. To not give contracts to those who performs in Siakam.
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Post#128 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:54 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:They are likely going to be buyers AND duck the tax by the deadline. Wouldn't be the first time they've done it either.


You don't buy something to reduce your bottom line, you would be selling to do that. That's the part that doesn't make sense


The part that does not make sense is calling the trade down on pick for Young is a selling, because Dragic was clearly not interested by San Antonio.

We can get below the tax, but the question is at what cost. Our record in dealing this was never great, please dont overrate Bobby. Our record in the past few years in giving out contracts based on salary have clearly not done well to our record. From overpaying Trent, Quickley, etc. To not give contracts to those who performs in Siakam.


I mean I'm not gonna argue philosophical talking points here, we can agree to disagree, I don't believe trading down 10picks to get off of salary neither parties wanted was the end of the world
I don't believe the Quickly contract is an overpayment, & if it is an overpayment, by how much, 2-4mill per year? Is there another vet minimum salary out there that interest you. There's more to being a good GM than squeezing every single cent from a player, especially a player you identify as a team builder
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Post#129 » by Indeed » Sat Aug 23, 2025 1:11 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
You don't buy something to reduce your bottom line, you would be selling to do that. That's the part that doesn't make sense


The part that does not make sense is calling the trade down on pick for Young is a selling, because Dragic was clearly not interested by San Antonio.

We can get below the tax, but the question is at what cost. Our record in dealing this was never great, please dont overrate Bobby. Our record in the past few years in giving out contracts based on salary have clearly not done well to our record. From overpaying Trent, Quickley, etc. To not give contracts to those who performs in Siakam.


I mean I'm not gonna argue philosophical talking points here, we can agree to disagree, I don't believe trading down 10picks to get off of salary neither parties wanted was the end of the world
I don't believe the Quickly contract is an overpayment, & if it is an overpayment, by how much, 2-4mill per year? Is there another vet minimum salary out there that interest you. There's more to being a good GM than squeezing every single cent from a player, especially a player you identify as a team builder


Quickley without being a lockdown defender, he is at least 5m per year difference. We shall see this coming year how much offensive load he can carry.

There is more to being a good GM, but getting value/talent per salary is an important one. It is part of a winning formula. Just silly to down play it for your own argument
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Post#130 » by Tripod » Sat Aug 23, 2025 2:53 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
It's just another talking point to crap on the Raptors from mostly American media, we are the step bros of the league who has a chip under their belt from this same mgmt structure (for the most part)

Meanwhile a realgm article has us as BUYERS for this trade deadline, everyone is all over the place

They are likely going to be buyers AND duck the tax by the deadline. Wouldn't be the first time they've done it either.


You don't buy something to reduce your bottom line, you would be selling to do that. That's the part that doesn't make sense

Not true.

You can consolidate 2 big salaries for 1 bigger one on a better player, but cut cap overall even with adding a replacement roster player.
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Post#131 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Aug 29, 2025 8:02 pm

Pretty sure we will cut Temple & convert Alijah to a standard contract, that would get us below the tax. Temple waived his no trade clause prior to signing the deal, probably some stipulation on signing vet mins or signing them B2B years
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Post#132 » by PoundTown » Sun Aug 31, 2025 3:44 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
kalel123 wrote:Still criminally undersized and unable to spend? Yep, sounds ideal.

Guess trade is the only way now.

It feels inevitable a trade will go down


Wouldn't say we have the easiest guys to trade. IQ is overpaid and believe he will be here because of that for another couple of years. RJ is seen as a flawed player, but obviously he is the one that the FO really wants to trade based on rumours. He may have to prove it with his play early on. He will have to be average defensively and efficient offensively, showing some improvement over last year, and a trade partner should come about.
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Post#133 » by Tripod » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:24 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Pretty sure we will cut Temple & convert Alijah to a standard contract, that would get us below the tax. Temple waived his no trade clause prior to signing the deal, probably some stipulation on signing vet mins or signing them B2B years

They obviously had this type of conversation.

Raps want him around the club as a mentor.
He didn't like ending the year hurt.
They agreed to bring him back as a player to make more $ but with the agreement that they will waive him near the deadline to get under the tax.

Both sides win. Raps get his mentorship for kids and a way to get under tax. Temple gets player $ for over half a season and then transitions into an assistant coach with the Raps going forward.
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Post#134 » by Jerry Lucas » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:55 pm

Tripod wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Pretty sure we will cut Temple & convert Alijah to a standard contract, that would get us below the tax. Temple waived his no trade clause prior to signing the deal, probably some stipulation on signing vet mins or signing them B2B years

They obviously had this type of conversation.

Raps want him around the club as a mentor.
He didn't like ending the year hurt.
They agreed to bring him back as a player to make more $ but with the agreement that they will waive him near the deadline to get under the tax.

Both sides win. Raps get his mentorship for kids and a way to get under tax. Temple gets player $ for over half a season and then transitions into an assistant coach with the Raps going forward.

Slight correction here, but they would have to specifically trade Temple's salary. Waiving him wouldn't provide any tax relief because his salary is fully guaranteed.

I still think they try to pull another Dragic-type move where they attach a lottery-protected 1st to RJ's salary and get the best asset upgrade possible that also helps the team duck the tax. The bar for asset upgrade is much higher with RJ though, because the bar with Dragic was so low that Thad Young's expiring bird rights were an asset upgrade on him (because Dragic wouldn't even play for the team).

I don't think the fanbase will ever fully grasp how much the Raptors value Garrett Temple's intangibles. They literally see him as Darko's Udonis Haslem, he isn't going anywhere until the offseason he decides to retire, which obviously wasn't this past offseason. Or I guess maybe also...if Darko were to get fired lol.
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Post#135 » by JB7 » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:57 pm

Tripod wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Pretty sure we will cut Temple & convert Alijah to a standard contract, that would get us below the tax. Temple waived his no trade clause prior to signing the deal, probably some stipulation on signing vet mins or signing them B2B years

They obviously had this type of conversation.

Raps want him around the club as a mentor.
He didn't like ending the year hurt.
They agreed to bring him back as a player to make more $ but with the agreement that they will waive him near the deadline to get under the tax.

Both sides win. Raps get his mentorship for kids and a way to get under tax. Temple gets player $ for over half a season and then transitions into an assistant coach with the Raps going forward.


Temple is the VP of the players association. He needs to be a player to be in that role, hence the reason he has not retired yet.

Raps like having him around as a veteran presence/voice on the bench. They don't need the roster spot for a player, because they are so deep already with young players.

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