Shams: Raptors sign Mamukelashvili to a two-year, $5.5 million deal (player option)

[Kobe Anunoby]

He seems to be more of a PF than a C. I hope he made improvements on defensive positioning. I can't see him being as good as Chomche there.

Chomche
Mamu
Mogbo
Walter
Shead

I'm guessing we go with this. Dick is probably someone we keep as a long term prospect. Then we trade Agbaji eventually.

I’d love to see Jakobe packaged with agbaji to find a high quality back up center

Trading the equivalent of 2 1sts for a backup C is not a good use of assets

If that’s what you value them at. Personally I feel most Raps fans are over valuing ochai, I don’t think teams would give up much for him, where as I think Jakobe has more value due to his potential.
IMO valuing ochai as if he’s equivalent to a first round pick is madness, no one is giving a first for him. Jakobe probably could net you a late first, he’s not new and shiney anymore and hasn’t proved his value is equivalent to a top 15 pick.

[Los_29]

I’d love to see Jakobe packaged with agbaji to find a high quality back up center

Trading the equivalent of 2 1sts for a backup C is not a good use of assets

If that’s what you value them at. Personally I feel most Raps fans are over valuing ochai, I don’t think teams would give up much for him, where as I think Jakobe has more value due to his potential.
IMO valuing ochai as if he’s equivalent to a first round pick is madness, no one is giving a first for him. Jakobe probably could net you a late first, he’s not new and shiney anymore and hasn’t proved his value is equivalent to a top 15 pick.

I agree with Tripod. It’s not a good use of assets. You don’t really trade two young, solid players (one with some untapped potential) for a back-up big man. Back up Cs are not in high demand.

[Kobe Anunoby]

I wonder what you would think it would take to obtain a high quality backup center. (Ex. Goga, Beef Stew)

[Los_29]

I wonder what you would think it would take to obtain a high quality backup center. (Ex. Goga, Beef Stew)

Is the gap really that wide from Sandro to Stewart? I don’t think so. If those are the guys you want then there’s no reason to trade Ochai and Walter. We aren’t in a position to be giving up on young talent for pieces like that. Poeltl (25 minutes), Sandro (10-15 minutes) then small ball lineups.

[Tripod]

I wonder what you would think it would take to obtain a high quality backup center. (Ex. Goga, Beef Stew)

Is the gap really that wide from Sandro to Stewart? I don’t think so. If those are the guys you want then there’s no reason to trade Ochai and Walter. We aren’t in a position to be giving up on young talent for pieces like that. Poeltl (25 minutes), Sandro (10-15 minutes) then small ball lineups.

Plus we need to look at the whole picture.

We signed Yak to be our starter. We are not looking to pay 15 million for our backup C like Stewart makes.

Goga is more in line at 8.3 and 7.6 the next 2 years. But in the playoffs, the Magic have deemed him unplayable.

Vs Cavs 2 years ago only played 2 games, 5 min per. DNP other games

Vs Atl this year in play in- played 4 mins

Vs Celtics this year: 3 games, less than 4 min per. DNP other 2 games

So while he can be useful in the long Regular season, does he help when it matters? Orlando doesn't think so.

Plus how Darko likes to run his offense, often thru a C at the top of the key making decisions, Stew and Goga don't fit. Neither does Lively that I was trying to will into existence...lol.

Ochai gets little respect but he was drafted top 15 and the hope would he he would be a 3+D guy. Well that's what he became last year. And in a re-draft, goes top 20. Sometimes expectations are unreasonable with picks. He SHOULD be valued as a 1st...and I think he is to the Raps.

And Jakobe absolutely still holds 1ST value

But the main point was that if we are trading 2 guys like that...it won't be for a backup C. It would be part of a bigger deal for an actual starter upgrade. Trading 1 of them for that...well that can be debated at least, depending on who it is. But for both? No chance we do that.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I wonder what you would think it would take to obtain a high quality backup center. (Ex. Goga, Beef Stew)

Is the gap really that wide from Sandro to Stewart? I don’t think so. If those are the guys you want then there’s no reason to trade Ochai and Walter. We aren’t in a position to be giving up on young talent for pieces like that. Poeltl (25 minutes), Sandro (10-15 minutes) then small ball lineups.

Plus we need to look at the whole picture.

We signed Yak to be our starter. We are not looking to pay 15 million for our backup C like Stewart makes.

Goga is more in line at 8.3 and 7.6 the next 2 years. But in the playoffs, the Magic have deemed him unplayable.

Vs Cavs 2 years ago only played 2 games, 5 min per. DNP other games

Vs Atl this year in play in- played 4 mins

Vs Celtics this year: 3 games, less than 4 min per. DNP other 2 games

So while he can be useful in the long Regular season, does he help when it matters? Orlando doesn't think so.

Plus how Darko likes to run his offense, often thru a C at the top of the key making decisions, Stew and Goga don't fit. Neither does Lively that I was trying to will into existence...lol.

Ochai gets little respect but he was drafted top 15 and the hope would he he would be a 3+D guy. Well that's what he became last year. And in a re-draft, goes top 20. Sometimes expectations are unreasonable with picks. He SHOULD be valued as a 1st...and I think he is to the Raps.

And Jakobe absolutely still holds 1ST value

But the main point was that if we are trading 2 guys like that...it won't be for a backup C. It would be part of a bigger deal for an actual starter upgrade. Trading 1 of them for that...well that can be debated at least, depending on who it is. But for both? No chance we do that.

right now i think a combo of cmb, barnes and mogbo should be ok. if we are to get a backup center, we should be focussed on skillset like a stretch 5 like carlson or boucher but better. but right now it shouldn't be a priority.
in terms of trade, rj/quickley + pick + young player to get upgrade at the starter positions make more sense.

[Thaddy]

We don't need a defensive C if we're playing CMB and Mogbo together. A spacing C makes a lot of sense there. This is probably why we signed Mamu instead of a defensive C.

[djsunyc]

[nikster]

I’d love to see Jakobe packaged with agbaji to find a high quality back up center

Trading the equivalent of 2 1sts for a backup C is not a good use of assets

If that’s what you value them at. Personally I feel most Raps fans are over valuing ochai, I don’t think teams would give up much for him, where as I think Jakobe has more value due to his potential.
IMO valuing ochai as if he’s equivalent to a first round pick is madness, no one is giving a first for him. Jakobe probably could net you a late first, he’s not new and shiney anymore and hasn’t proved his value is equivalent to a top 15 pick.

How is a 2nd year player no longer new and Shiney? Especially when he missed first part of the season with injury

[ConSarnit]

I wonder what you would think it would take to obtain a high quality backup center. (Ex. Goga, Beef Stew)

Is the gap really that wide from Sandro to Stewart? I don’t think so. If those are the guys you want then there’s no reason to trade Ochai and Walter. We aren’t in a position to be giving up on young talent for pieces like that. Poeltl (25 minutes), Sandro (10-15 minutes) then small ball lineups.

Plus we need to look at the whole picture.

We signed Yak to be our starter. We are not looking to pay 15 million for our backup C like Stewart makes.

Goga is more in line at 8.3 and 7.6 the next 2 years. But in the playoffs, the Magic have deemed him unplayable.

Vs Cavs 2 years ago only played 2 games, 5 min per. DNP other games

Vs Atl this year in play in- played 4 mins

Vs Celtics this year: 3 games, less than 4 min per. DNP other 2 games

So while he can be useful in the long Regular season, does he help when it matters? Orlando doesn't think so.

Plus how Darko likes to run his offense, often thru a C at the top of the key making decisions, Stew and Goga don't fit. Neither does Lively that I was trying to will into existence...lol.

Ochai gets little respect but he was drafted top 15 and the hope would he he would be a 3+D guy. Well that's what he became last year. And in a re-draft, goes top 20. Sometimes expectations are unreasonable with picks. He SHOULD be valued as a 1st...and I think he is to the Raps.

And Jakobe absolutely still holds 1ST value

But the main point was that if we are trading 2 guys like that...it won't be for a backup C. It would be part of a bigger deal for an actual starter upgrade. Trading 1 of them for that...well that can be debated at least, depending on who it is. But for both? No chance we do that.

The reason Bitadze didn’t play is because ORL’s offense was atrocious and they desperately needed spacing. I don’t think that should be an indictment of Goga. Per 36 he averaged the same assists as Poeltl. Their assist % were exactly the same too. Bitadze is a good passer. Bitadze would play a lot more on a team that wasn’t the worst shooting team of the past 15 years. We should not be trading 2 young guys for him though.

I think having a real backup to Poeltl is a need. Poeltl can’t play 30+ mpg. When he did his counting stats increased but his defense fell off. If he’s only capable of 27-28 mpg that leaves 20 minutes where we need a backup C. Maybe CMB can eventually fill a Draymond like small ball role but that’s TBD at the moment.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[djsunyc]

hopefully he's not kleiza

[Duffman100]

hopefully he's not kleiza

I was gonna defend Kleiza and be like "off the bench it wouldn't be bad".

Then I went back and looked at his stats. Yikes.

[DreamTeam09]

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Really excited to see him play for us & who we play him with. His skillset is surely needed and can be used

[tsherkin]

hopefully he's not kleiza

I was gonna defend Kleiza and be like "off the bench it wouldn't be bad".

Then I went back and looked at his stats. Yikes.

He wasn't awful for Denver. He WAS awful for us. What'd he play? A hundred games for us over 3 years?

[tsherkin]

Really excited to see him play for us & who we play him with. His skillset is surely needed and can be used

I hope he can be decent defensively. Offensively, I think he'll be nice off the bench for us. Open things up a bit, give a different look, let the perimeter guys eat a little more in close.

[TheRealDeal]

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Of course, we only have him locked up for one year

[MoneyBall]

Wasn't Schroder a beast during international ball too? Not that he was terrible for us or anything, but he wasn't much of a difference maker.

[MessiahUjiri]

hopefully he's not kleiza

I was gonna defend Kleiza and be like "off the bench it wouldn't be bad".

Then I went back and looked at his stats. Yikes.

He wasn't awful for Denver. He WAS awful for us. What'd he play? A hundred games for us over 3 years?

Bryan Colangelo gave him the Landry Fields special appearance contract.

[Mikistan]

This is pattrick Patterson on a Biyombo prove it type contract

Let's just hope he's closer to Luis scola than to Alan Anderson amiright guyze