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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#941 » by links135 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:10 pm

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Barnes wants to play like a perimeter player. He’s never shown the ability to do the dirty work/big man things like screening and posting-up. If this game was any indication on how we’re going to use Barnes that is a bad sign.

The BI/IQ/RJ trio are a higher usage trio than the Siakam/FVV/OG trio. If Barnes is going to be off ball more I’m not sure how he’s helping our offense. Clearly his shooting doesn’t look any different.

It’s only one pre-season game but no one could have liked what they saw from Barnes on the offensive end.


Would have been different if we started Mamu. Jokic would have to actually guard to the 3 point line which Mamu showed off early, as opposed to Mogbo clogging up space. But they probably wanted a look at the bench lineup together since they don't expect Poeltl out that long.


Maybe, but starting Mamu doesn’t really help us overall considering Poeltl (another zero spacing big) will be starting with Barnes. It also doesn’t solve the usage distribution issue as far as the touches IQ/RJ/BI are going to get. Jokic is also not some great rim deterrent nor did the Nuggets have Gordon in their lineup. Jokic/JV for 48min (no Gordon) is a weak defensive front court.


I don't think it's hard to see why it's much easier with Poeltl instead of Mogbo in terms of getting the ball down low off a drive or at the high post to pass and set a hard screen. If I was Denver, every single time i'm trying to have whoever has the ball to pass it to Mogbo every single play. I wouldn't quite want that with Poeltl.

It means Jokic is always hanging around the basket and you can't really move the ball nearly as well, nor is there a good of a pick setter as Poeltl. So yes you could see how much the half court struggled where most of the points were transition of Brandon Ingram.

So i'd like to see us with Poeltl before judging based on how much our 6"8 guys struggled against one of the best centers to ever play.
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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#942 » by WiggOuts » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:11 pm

One of the most glaring things you notice from this game is we have way too many cooks in the kitchen, there just isn't enough to go around. We need a consolidation trade or two...its good for internal development but the possibility of it crashing and burning due to a lack of on court opportunity becomes very real
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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#943 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:11 pm

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:It's year four and he's not added a singe thing to his game.


Year 5


must be frustrating demanding and expending A+ outcomes in every aspect across all 82 + PRESEASONS from everyone across the board huh. How on earth will y'all survive

I'm sure his value goes up after his second down year in a row.
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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#944 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:28 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:They should play him at C, Like Amare Stoudemire. Just dumb his role down as much as possible. Just dunks and lobs.


Dude is scared of contact when going up...
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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#945 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:32 pm

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Until he proves otherwise if we want to win thats just gonna be how it is. But yes having a max player that has no role on offense and is basically a worse Sixers Andre Igoudala is not exactly a good thing lmao


He is a little better than 76ers Iguodala, who used to have to play insane minutes to get his counting stats. People freak out about the wrong things here. Trying to build an offense around Scottie was a mistake and the Raptors already corrected. This is building with him.


Building with him presents its own set of problems, especially considering his salary. If this is who he is on offense this year he’s a negative value player unless he makes an all-defense team.


Draymond is a defensive savant and was a critical piece of the Warriors offense as an initiator/distributor, and he never got paid the max.

Scottie doesn't need to have the highest FGA or USG in the offense. But he can't be some off ball player with the 4th highest USG in the starting lineup at his salary. If that's his role on an NBA team, let him find it elsewhere and let's extract as much value as remains right now.
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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#946 » by causal_fan » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:32 pm

I'm as much a skeptic of this team as anybody, but it's a darn pre-season game.
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Post#947 » by 720 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:33 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:The excuses for Barnes are never ending.

It is not Darkos fault he doesn't have a jumpshot and has questionable effort.


The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

Post the man up…give him some split actions where he’s going down hill, you know, regular offensive **** that most coaches try and do for their max guy.
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Post#948 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Oct 7, 2025 8:48 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:They should play him at C, Like Amare Stoudemire. Just dumb his role down as much as possible. Just dunks and lobs.


Dude is scared of contact when going up...

The spacing would be better, in theory. With Yak off the bench.
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Re: Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST 

Post#949 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 9:04 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
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Year 5


must be frustrating demanding and expending A+ outcomes in every aspect across all 82 + PRESEASONS from everyone across the board huh. How on earth will y'all survive

I'm sure his value goes up after his second down year in a row.


I'm sure that's a foregone conclusion after Game 1 in Vancouver
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Post#950 » by links135 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 9:10 pm

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The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

Post the man up…give him some split actions where he’s going down hill, you know, regular offensive **** that most coaches try and do for their max guy.


Anyone remember this gem, the 1st game of the season. 83 points. 30.9% shooting.

https://www.nba.com/game/was-vs-tor-0022100006/box-score

We ended up making the playoffs.

But this is why I love RealGM. The overreaction after the 1st pre-season game.
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Post#951 » by Agimat » Tue Oct 7, 2025 9:15 pm

If I'm not mistaken we didn't even need to run plays for Barnes in his 1st year and he was still making an impact. He should get back to being that guy who does all the little things on the court especially now that we have a go-to scorer in Ingram.
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Post#952 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Oct 7, 2025 9:53 pm

links135 wrote:
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YogurtProducer wrote:What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

Post the man up…give him some split actions where he’s going down hill, you know, regular offensive **** that most coaches try and do for their max guy.


Anyone remember this gem, the 1st game of the season. 83 points. 30.9% shooting.

https://www.nba.com/game/was-vs-tor-0022100006/box-score

We ended up making the playoffs.

But this is why I love RealGM. The overreaction after the 1st pre-season game.


Scottie Barnes in that game: 32min, 13FGA, 1 3PA, 24% USG
Scottie Barnes last night: 19 min, 6 FGA, 2 3PA, 17% USG

It's not the shooting % that folks are fixated on. It's how uninvolved he was in the offense. Scottie is the face of the franchise, highest paid player on the roster, and was 4th in usage in the starting lineup. And while we're all focused on Scottie, IQ's usage was even worse. The offense was garbage. And while I understand it's preseason, we can at least expect to see how these guys want to play this season and the roles they've been assigned to.

As I said earlier in the thread, I am not signing up to watch Ingram and RJ take turns and monopolize the shots; I've already watched the Gay and Derozan act. The faster RJ is shipped out, the better. Either it forces IQ/Scottie to step up, or it forces the FO to rebuild.
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Post#953 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Oct 7, 2025 9:57 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

Post the man up…give him some split actions where he’s going down hill, you know, regular offensive **** that most coaches try and do for their max guy.

But he isn't good at those things lol
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Post#954 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:01 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:It's not the shooting % that folks are fixated on. It's how uninvolved he was in the offense. Scottie is the face of the franchise, highest paid player on the roster, and was 4th in usage in the starting lineup.
So?

A) it is one game
B) he is going to be below BI RJ and IQ all year in usage because he is a worse offensive player. Why would we force a square peg into a round hole?

And while we're all focused on Scottie, IQ's usage was even worse. The offense was garbage. And while I understand it's preseason, we can at least expect to see how these guys want to play this season and the roles they've been assigned to.
1 game man. And not even a full one at that. Guys played like 18-20mpg ffs

And FWIW - our ORTG was 118 with Ingram, 116 with Barrett, and 114 with IQ. The crazy part is? Scotties was 100.

As I said earlier in the thread, I am not signing up to watch Ingram and RJ take turns and monopolize the shots; I've already watched the Gay and Derozan act. The faster RJ is shipped out, the better. Either it forces IQ/Scottie to step up, or it forces the FO to rebuild.
Yeah, for your own insanity you may as well log out and not watch this year.
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Post#955 » by NotMyKawhi » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:11 pm

Most likely, fools gold in an injured east. Looks like, shead, ocahi, mamu and mogbo are our best 4 bench guys. All free agents. Probably lose a couple, come back w less while Pacers and Boston are now healthy.
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Post#956 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:58 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
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must be frustrating demanding and expending A+ outcomes in every aspect across all 82 + PRESEASONS from everyone across the board huh. How on earth will y'all survive

I'm sure his value goes up after his second down year in a row.


I'm sure that's a foregone conclusion after Game 1 in Vancouver

It's just a problem they never addressed. We didn't have enough shots last year, but everybody was injured. So, it didn't matter. Now, they add BI and his roughly 18 more shots per game. Still, only one ball. Not enough shots to go around. Somebody's going hungry.
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Post#957 » by bape_lovers » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:08 pm

Danny green said it the best, BI felt like he has been in team for years.

And1+2 wrote:Didn't watch the game, don't care at all about anyone other than BI... How did he look?
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Post#958 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:17 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:It's not the shooting % that folks are fixated on. It's how uninvolved he was in the offense. Scottie is the face of the franchise, highest paid player on the roster, and was 4th in usage in the starting lineup.
So?

A) it is one game
B) he is going to be below BI RJ and IQ all year in usage because he is a worse offensive player. Why would we force a square peg into a round hole?


Then I'll just go back to an earlier response: if this is the case, shouldn't we trade Barnes? You can't pay max money to a 4th option low usage starter. And that kind of offensive usage is just going to depress his value more, especially if we shift him off ball like we did last night.
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Post#959 » by dballislife » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:35 pm

scottie needs to focus on dropping dimes, crashing the boards, and getting stocks...and then just let the offense come to him and not force nothing...he could average a super efficient 15, which isnt bad if he ups his other stats and defense
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Post#960 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:41 pm

The "it's only one game" argument too... how many does it take? Like, obvious things don't take much time.
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