PG: Back to .500 (5-5)

[PushDaRock]

He's definitely slower than I expected him to be. That said, he was always a net negative on defense his whole career, so I'm still not terribly surprised myself.

I think I can make an arguement that RJ's been just as bad as BI on defense, but I don't feel like it because overall Barrett has been quite good.

RJ definitely has not been as bad as him. The numbers support that and I would say the eye test does too. RJ is a much better man defender, he's just not good off the ball. Ingram has been really bad at both.

Maybe you're right, but the numbers I've seen suggest they are close. RJ has the worse DRtg among all starters... by one point per 100 possessions. His DBPM is slightly better though by 0.2. Either way we agree Ingram has been bad on that end for sure.

You're probably using Basketball Reference's DRTG number which is an approximation based on the box score. NBA.com's is more accurate because it uses the actual possession counts. RJ is at 113.5 DRTG and Ingram at 119.4 DRTG on there.

[Dennis 37]

Tbh if they knew Jak wouldn’t be playing b2bs why wouldn’t you save him for tonight instead

I guess they prioritized the NBA cup over this one. But now Philly decided to play Embiid on us, and will rest him vs DET tomorrow

Embid wasn't the difference. We lost the rebound battle when he wasn't on the floor.

[tsherkin]

RJ definitely has not been as bad as him. The numbers support that and I would say the eye test does too. RJ is a much better man defender, he's just not good off the ball. Ingram has been really bad at both.

Maybe you're right, but the numbers I've seen suggest they are close. RJ has the worse DRtg among all starters... by one point per 100 possessions. His DBPM is slightly better though by 0.2. Either way we agree Ingram has been bad on that end for sure.

You're probably using Basketball Reference's DRTG number which is an approximation based on the box score. NBA.com's is more accurate because it uses the actual possession counts. RJ is at 113.5 DRTG and Ingram at 119.4 DRTG on there.

Also, I don't know how much we want to be using individual DRTG for this anyway.

If only for contrast, Barrett's at -0.9 D-EPM and Ingram -0.8. They're close enough there that a DRTG gap of 6 points or so seems unlikely to be fully accurate. Even DBPM from b-ref has them at -0.4 (BI) and -0.2 (Barrett).

I don't know how reliable it is because it's only 147 minutes, but b-ref also has opponent ORTG more than 23 points worse when BI is on the floor. Almost +10% eFG when he's playing. For Barrett, about 13 points worse when he's playing.

Give or take the specifics, I think the numbers mostly show that these guys are both not doing well for us defensively, which matches the eye test at the moment. I think we may need a little more time for the numbers to settle before we dive into specifics, though.

[PushDaRock]

Maybe you're right, but the numbers I've seen suggest they are close. RJ has the worse DRtg among all starters... by one point per 100 possessions. His DBPM is slightly better though by 0.2. Either way we agree Ingram has been bad on that end for sure.

You're probably using Basketball Reference's DRTG number which is an approximation based on the box score. NBA.com's is more accurate because it uses the actual possession counts. RJ is at 113.5 DRTG and Ingram at 119.4 DRTG on there.

Also, I don't know how much we want to be using individual DRTG for this anyway.

If only for contrast, Barrett's at -0.9 D-EPM and Ingram -0.8. They're close enough there that a DRTG gap of 6 points or so seems unlikely to be fully accurate. Even DBPM from b-ref has them at -0.4 (BI) and -0.2 (Barrett).

I don't know how reliable it is because it's only 147 minutes, but b-ref also has opponent ORTG more than 23 points worse when BI is on the floor. Almost +10% eFG when he's playing. For Barrett, about 13 points worse when he's playing.

Give or take the specifics, I think the numbers mostly show that these guys are both not doing well for us defensively, which matches the eye test at the moment. I think we may need a little more time for the numbers to settle before we dive into specifics, though.

I'm going mostly off eye test because there's lots of noise in the smaller sample sizes. I think RJ has been a bit below average while BI has been just bad. Someone like Mamu has a sub 100 DRTG on NBA.com right now, I don't expect that to last but it's more so showing that we can likely be average defensively with him out there.

[tsherkin]

I'm going mostly off eye test because there's lots of noise in the smaller sample sizes. I think RJ has been a bit below average while BI has been just bad. Someone like Mamu has a sub 100 DRTG on NBA.com right now, I don't expect that to last but it's more so showing that we can likely be average defensively with him out there.

For sure. I just wanted to support the idea that there doesn't seem to be a huge gap between the two, which individual DRTG was suggesting. I agree that there's a ton of noise, and my eye test says the same thing as yours, heh. BI has looked pretty passive and low-effort on D. RJ appears to be trying, he just doesn't have awesome awareness on defense, which leads to various mistakes.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

The BI tantrum was a bad look, the aftermath where he seemed to not show contrition and let his teammates and others tend to the mess he made was even worse than the outburst, but at this point, its been a one off. However, while the disregard for the water bottle hitting the attendant has gotten alot of attention, Scottie was laid out right where BI threw that. It didn't show great regard for his teammate and supposed co team leader either. In some of the videos posted, the facial expressions of the assistant coaches, who also did nothing, was not encouraging,

[MoneyBall]

Maybe you're right, but the numbers I've seen suggest they are close. RJ has the worse DRtg among all starters... by one point per 100 possessions. His DBPM is slightly better though by 0.2. Either way we agree Ingram has been bad on that end for sure.

You're probably using Basketball Reference's DRTG number which is an approximation based on the box score. NBA.com's is more accurate because it uses the actual possession counts. RJ is at 113.5 DRTG and Ingram at 119.4 DRTG on there.

Also, I don't know how much we want to be using individual DRTG for this anyway.

If only for contrast, Barrett's at -0.9 D-EPM and Ingram -0.8. They're close enough there that a DRTG gap of 6 points or so seems unlikely to be fully accurate. Even DBPM from b-ref has them at -0.4 (BI) and -0.2 (Barrett).

I don't know how reliable it is because it's only 147 minutes, but b-ref also has opponent ORTG more than 23 points worse when BI is on the floor. Almost +10% eFG when he's playing. For Barrett, about 13 points worse when he's playing.

Give or take the specifics, I think the numbers mostly show that these guys are both not doing well for us defensively, which matches the eye test at the moment. I think we may need a little more time for the numbers to settle before we dive into specifics, though.

EPM is my preferred metric, but I'm too poor/cheap for a D&T subscription.

[Basketball_Jones]

The BI thing was weird and I hate to just sweep it under the rug and hope he at least addressed it backstage. If Scottie did it we’d all be up in arms so he can’t just get a pass here. His on court play to me has been focused and solid enough so I won’t really bring it up unless he really starts playing like dog doo. Good on Scottie for being a bigger person and not getting emotional about it because he got soaked.

[Rainman66]

Why is this such a clever saying "its not reboundball its basketball" ... Basketball is reboundball lol

[tsherkin]

EPM is my preferred metric, but I'm too poor/cheap for a D&T subscription.

I've got you

[Tripod]

Haha took the words right out of my mouth. We are a tax paying team who are trying to win this year. Can we stop with the excuses already lol.

We are not trying to win a championship.
The real question is what moves to make to get to the next level.
This team needs more than a backup center.

Of course we need more than a backup Center but we are saying, "how about patching up a hole thats existed for 6 years and then move onto other areas."

Especially because we have been saying, the team struggles without Yak so adding a big C would help when he misses games...and he will.

Just a big body who can grab rebounds and take that burden off of Barnes, CMB and Mamu ALL GAME.

Instead we have a glut of guards.

It's just about more flexibility and balance. And you don't have to wait for a championship level team to fix an obvious hole in depth.

[dTox]

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[MoneyBall]

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Well there you go, BI apologized and made efforts to remediate. Let's move on and not hold this against him.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Memphis would like a "star" in return.

We could just slide IQ back over to SG. Problem solved.

[TheAlchemist23]

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Trolling?

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Trolling?

He got me good, this was a very lame way to farm engagement.