PG: 7-1 in last 8

[Appostis]

True...and yet they have won zero championships in that time. Tanking is never a sure thing.

Yep. As you said, just a chance at some talent working out. In theory, it's a pretty good chance, but it's even less sure than ever in the 1-and-done era. And there are always injuries and prospects who don't pan out and, and, and... All the stuff we all know.

Compared to their run of awfulness, I'm thrilled that we're only in our third season since our last year at or above .500, man. Washington's fans are troopers.

Washington is playing better but just needs help with one more top 3 pick. Coulibaly has floundered harder than Dick.

PG Carrington
SG Peterson - Riley
SF Trey - Coulibaly
PF Kyshawn - Kispert
C Sarr - Whitemore

One more top pick and they might actually reach the playoffs in a few years...

[everdiso]

After a 30 win season last year, I'm trying to be a realist and objective with this team. but man, it's so hard not to get excited about this team now and not be optimistic about the future.

Whenever you're worried of being over optimistic or them being bad last year remember that last year Ochai was 3rd and Dick was 5th in total minutes played i.e. starters roles and now they're not even in the 8 man rotation.

[720]

Washington is playing better but just needs help with one more top 3 pick. Coulibaly has floundered harder than Dick.

PG Carrington
SG Peterson - Riley
SF Trey - Coulibaly
PF Kyshawn - Kispert
C Sarr - Whitemore

Right. And they've won less than 20 games in each of the last two seasons, and have started out 1-11 so far this year. Their D is "all-time worst" type level at the moment, and their offense is as bad as it was last year. 2018 was the last time they won more than 35 games, they gave up on Avdija, who is flourishing so far this year in Portland...

It's just rough. Sarr looks better but they don't have a lot of other stuff going on at the moment which is really exciting. I'm much happier with our situation, honestly.

I mean...we are better than the Hornets. That's gotta mean something...lol. Kon Knueppel looks good though. Otherwise...that franchise is cursed. That's a franchise that has had a lottery pick in every draft since 2004 except for 2016 (and yet they still missed the playoffs that year too!!!). Proof that no matter how many lottery picks you have...if you have bad management and bad luck...you can still suck.

Be happy we aren't the Charlotte LOLcats/Hornets.

Just for fun.......
2025 - Kon Knueppel
2024 - Tidjane Saluan
2023 - Brandon Miller
2022 - Jalen Duren ---> traded for #15 pick - Mark Williams (ouch...that was dumb!!!)
2021 - James Bouknight
2020 - Lamelo Ball
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander ---> traded for #12 pick - Miles Bridges (ouch...that was dumb!!!!)
2017 - Malik Monk
2016 - no lottery pick for whatever reason...but did select Malachi Richardson at 22 then traded him
2015 - Frank Kaminsky
2014 - Noah Vonleh
2013 - Cody Zeller
2012 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2011 - Kemba Walker
2010 - no draft picks at all
2009 - Gerald Henderson
2008 - DJ Augustin
2007 - Brandan Wright ---> traded to GSW for Jason Richardson (not his rookie year)
2006 - Adam Morrison
2005 - Raymond Felton
2004 - Emeka Okafor

Management matters with things like this. You think if Masai and Bobby drafted Lamelo, Miller, Kon in a 5 year span they don’t end up making a better team than Charlotte management?

Look at the Spurs, or OKC with Presti, he got all those draft picks and they tanked for a long time and made good decision after good decision (including trading their star player not too late). Presti is an amazing mind. I believe Bobby is capable of that.

[Duffman100]

Right. And they've won less than 20 games in each of the last two seasons, and have started out 1-11 so far this year. Their D is "all-time worst" type level at the moment, and their offense is as bad as it was last year. 2018 was the last time they won more than 35 games, they gave up on Avdija, who is flourishing so far this year in Portland...

It's just rough. Sarr looks better but they don't have a lot of other stuff going on at the moment which is really exciting. I'm much happier with our situation, honestly.

I mean...we are better than the Hornets. That's gotta mean something...lol. Kon Knueppel looks good though. Otherwise...that franchise is cursed. That's a franchise that has had a lottery pick in every draft since 2004 except for 2016 (and yet they still missed the playoffs that year too!!!). Proof that no matter how many lottery picks you have...if you have bad management and bad luck...you can still suck.

Be happy we aren't the Charlotte LOLcats/Hornets.

Just for fun.......
2025 - Kon Knueppel
2024 - Tidjane Saluan
2023 - Brandon Miller
2022 - Jalen Duren ---> traded for #15 pick - Mark Williams (ouch...that was dumb!!!)
2021 - James Bouknight
2020 - Lamelo Ball
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander ---> traded for #12 pick - Miles Bridges (ouch...that was dumb!!!!)
2017 - Malik Monk
2016 - no lottery pick for whatever reason...but did select Malachi Richardson at 22 then traded him
2015 - Frank Kaminsky
2014 - Noah Vonleh
2013 - Cody Zeller
2012 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2011 - Kemba Walker
2010 - no draft picks at all
2009 - Gerald Henderson
2008 - DJ Augustin
2007 - Brandan Wright ---> traded to GSW for Jason Richardson (not his rookie year)
2006 - Adam Morrison
2005 - Raymond Felton
2004 - Emeka Okafor

Management matters with things like this. You think if Masai and Bobby drafted Lamelo, Miller, Kon in a 5 year span they don’t end up making a better team than Charlotte management?

Look at the Spurs, or OKC with Presti, he got all those draft picks and they tanked for a long time and made good decision after good decision (including trading their star player not too late). Presti is an amazing mind. I believe Bobby is capable of that.

The Spurs have got pretty lucky.

Castle was a good pick and I like Harper. The rest of it has been pretty meh.

You take Wemby off of that team and they're a high 20, low 30 win team.

[mtcan]

Right. And they've won less than 20 games in each of the last two seasons, and have started out 1-11 so far this year. Their D is "all-time worst" type level at the moment, and their offense is as bad as it was last year. 2018 was the last time they won more than 35 games, they gave up on Avdija, who is flourishing so far this year in Portland...

It's just rough. Sarr looks better but they don't have a lot of other stuff going on at the moment which is really exciting. I'm much happier with our situation, honestly.

I mean...we are better than the Hornets. That's gotta mean something...lol. Kon Knueppel looks good though. Otherwise...that franchise is cursed. That's a franchise that has had a lottery pick in every draft since 2004 except for 2016 (and yet they still missed the playoffs that year too!!!). Proof that no matter how many lottery picks you have...if you have bad management and bad luck...you can still suck.

Be happy we aren't the Charlotte LOLcats/Hornets.

Just for fun.......
2025 - Kon Knueppel
2024 - Tidjane Saluan
2023 - Brandon Miller
2022 - Jalen Duren ---> traded for #15 pick - Mark Williams (ouch...that was dumb!!!)
2021 - James Bouknight
2020 - Lamelo Ball
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander ---> traded for #12 pick - Miles Bridges (ouch...that was dumb!!!!)
2017 - Malik Monk
2016 - no lottery pick for whatever reason...but did select Malachi Richardson at 22 then traded him
2015 - Frank Kaminsky
2014 - Noah Vonleh
2013 - Cody Zeller
2012 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2011 - Kemba Walker
2010 - no draft picks at all
2009 - Gerald Henderson
2008 - DJ Augustin
2007 - Brandan Wright ---> traded to GSW for Jason Richardson (not his rookie year)
2006 - Adam Morrison
2005 - Raymond Felton
2004 - Emeka Okafor

Management matters with things like this. You think if Masai and Bobby drafted Lamelo, Miller, Kon in a 5 year span they don’t end up making a better team than Charlotte management?

Look at the Spurs, or OKC with Presti, he got all those draft picks and they tanked for a long time and made good decision after good decision (including trading their star player not too late). Presti is an amazing mind. I believe Bobby is capable of that.

Like I said...luck also factors in on this. Ball and Miller just haven't been healthy. Hard to build around guys that have missed more games than they have played. This is why I say that the Hornets franchise are cursed.

But man...look at the 2 draft day trades that sent SGA to the Clippers and Jalen Duren to Detroit. That's part bad luck and part bad luck management. Miles Bridges is ok but to know you literally drafted SGA just to trade him. That's gotta hurt.

[TheGeneral99]

Right. And they've won less than 20 games in each of the last two seasons, and have started out 1-11 so far this year. Their D is "all-time worst" type level at the moment, and their offense is as bad as it was last year. 2018 was the last time they won more than 35 games, they gave up on Avdija, who is flourishing so far this year in Portland...

It's just rough. Sarr looks better but they don't have a lot of other stuff going on at the moment which is really exciting. I'm much happier with our situation, honestly.

I mean...we are better than the Hornets. That's gotta mean something...lol. Kon Knueppel looks good though. Otherwise...that franchise is cursed. That's a franchise that has had a lottery pick in every draft since 2004 except for 2016 (and yet they still missed the playoffs that year too!!!). Proof that no matter how many lottery picks you have...if you have bad management and bad luck...you can still suck.

Be happy we aren't the Charlotte LOLcats/Hornets.

Just for fun.......
2025 - Kon Knueppel
2024 - Tidjane Saluan
2023 - Brandon Miller
2022 - Jalen Duren ---> traded for #15 pick - Mark Williams (ouch...that was dumb!!!)
2021 - James Bouknight
2020 - Lamelo Ball
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander ---> traded for #12 pick - Miles Bridges (ouch...that was dumb!!!!)
2017 - Malik Monk
2016 - no lottery pick for whatever reason...but did select Malachi Richardson at 22 then traded him
2015 - Frank Kaminsky
2014 - Noah Vonleh
2013 - Cody Zeller
2012 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2011 - Kemba Walker
2010 - no draft picks at all
2009 - Gerald Henderson
2008 - DJ Augustin
2007 - Brandan Wright ---> traded to GSW for Jason Richardson (not his rookie year)
2006 - Adam Morrison
2005 - Raymond Felton
2004 - Emeka Okafor

Management matters with things like this. You think if Masai and Bobby drafted Lamelo, Miller, Kon in a 5 year span they don’t end up making a better team than Charlotte management?

Look at the Spurs, or OKC with Presti, he got all those draft picks and they tanked for a long time and made good decision after good decision (including trading their star player not too late). Presti is an amazing mind. I believe Bobby is capable of that.

Presti is fantastic but he also got incredibly lucky that Kawhi desperately wanted to pair up with Paul George as a condition to sign with LA. SGA and picks fell right into Presti's lap.

[MiamiSPX]

Only 9 page PG thread and no game thread when we play tonight.

[Duffman100]

Only 9 page PG thread and no game thread when we play tonight.

I'm ready to sticky.

[PushDaRock]

After a 30 win season last year, I'm trying to be a realist and objective with this team. but man, it's so hard not to get excited about this team now and not be optimistic about the future.

Whenever you're worried of being over optimistic or them being bad last year remember that last year Ochai was 3rd and Dick was 5th in total minutes played i.e. starters roles and now they're not even in the 8 man rotation.

Basically why you shouldn't get overly excited about all these young players that put up numbers on bad teams. It's often meaningless because they're force fed mins and somebody has to put them up.

[canada_dry]

Right. And they've won less than 20 games in each of the last two seasons, and have started out 1-11 so far this year. Their D is "all-time worst" type level at the moment, and their offense is as bad as it was last year. 2018 was the last time they won more than 35 games, they gave up on Avdija, who is flourishing so far this year in Portland...

It's just rough. Sarr looks better but they don't have a lot of other stuff going on at the moment which is really exciting. I'm much happier with our situation, honestly.

I mean...we are better than the Hornets. That's gotta mean something...lol. Kon Knueppel looks good though. Otherwise...that franchise is cursed. That's a franchise that has had a lottery pick in every draft since 2004 except for 2016 (and yet they still missed the playoffs that year too!!!). Proof that no matter how many lottery picks you have...if you have bad management and bad luck...you can still suck.

Be happy we aren't the Charlotte LOLcats/Hornets.

Just for fun.......
2025 - Kon Knueppel
2024 - Tidjane Saluan
2023 - Brandon Miller
2022 - Jalen Duren ---> traded for #15 pick - Mark Williams (ouch...that was dumb!!!)
2021 - James Bouknight
2020 - Lamelo Ball
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander ---> traded for #12 pick - Miles Bridges (ouch...that was dumb!!!!)
2017 - Malik Monk
2016 - no lottery pick for whatever reason...but did select Malachi Richardson at 22 then traded him
2015 - Frank Kaminsky
2014 - Noah Vonleh
2013 - Cody Zeller
2012 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2011 - Kemba Walker
2010 - no draft picks at all
2009 - Gerald Henderson
2008 - DJ Augustin
2007 - Brandan Wright ---> traded to GSW for Jason Richardson (not his rookie year)
2006 - Adam Morrison
2005 - Raymond Felton
2004 - Emeka Okafor

Management matters with things like this. You think if Masai and Bobby drafted Lamelo, Miller, Kon in a 5 year span they don’t end up making a better team than Charlotte management?

Look at the Spurs, or OKC with Presti, he got all those draft picks and they tanked for a long time and made good decision after good decision (including trading their star player not too late). Presti is an amazing mind. I believe Bobby is capable of that.

Man idk everyone keeps talking about how the drafting as of late has been shaky with grady mogbo and jakobe and you're here telling us theyd do a great job in another dimension...which is it?

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[Psubs]

The Spurs have got pretty lucky.

Castle was a good pick and I like Harper. The rest of it has been pretty meh.

You take Wemby off of that team and they're a high 20, low 30 win team.

The Spurs only got Wemby to save the franchise and have Pops come back.

[tsherkin]

Only 9 page PG thread and no game thread when we play tonight.

I'm ready to sticky.

I got you

[everdiso]

I mean...we are better than the Hornets. That's gotta mean something...lol. Kon Knueppel looks good though. Otherwise...that franchise is cursed. That's a franchise that has had a lottery pick in every draft since 2004 except for 2016 (and yet they still missed the playoffs that year too!!!). Proof that no matter how many lottery picks you have...if you have bad management and bad luck...you can still suck.

Be happy we aren't the Charlotte LOLcats/Hornets.

Just for fun.......
2025 - Kon Knueppel
2024 - Tidjane Saluan
2023 - Brandon Miller
2022 - Jalen Duren ---> traded for #15 pick - Mark Williams (ouch...that was dumb!!!)
2021 - James Bouknight
2020 - Lamelo Ball
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander ---> traded for #12 pick - Miles Bridges (ouch...that was dumb!!!!)
2017 - Malik Monk
2016 - no lottery pick for whatever reason...but did select Malachi Richardson at 22 then traded him
2015 - Frank Kaminsky
2014 - Noah Vonleh
2013 - Cody Zeller
2012 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2011 - Kemba Walker
2010 - no draft picks at all
2009 - Gerald Henderson
2008 - DJ Augustin
2007 - Brandan Wright ---> traded to GSW for Jason Richardson (not his rookie year)
2006 - Adam Morrison
2005 - Raymond Felton
2004 - Emeka Okafor

Management matters with things like this. You think if Masai and Bobby drafted Lamelo, Miller, Kon in a 5 year span they don’t end up making a better team than Charlotte management?

Look at the Spurs, or OKC with Presti, he got all those draft picks and they tanked for a long time and made good decision after good decision (including trading their star player not too late). Presti is an amazing mind. I believe Bobby is capable of that.

Man idk everyone keeps talking about how the drafting as of late has been shaky with grady mogbo and jakobe and you're here telling us theyd do a great job in another dimension...which is it?

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Tough to call really.

Last 10yrs

Top-5 picks: #4 Barnes
Top-10 picks: #9 Poeltl, #9 CMB
11-20 picks: #13 Dick, #19 Walter
21-30 picks: #23 OG, #27 Siakam, #29 Flynn

2nd round: #31 Mogbo, #33 Koloko, #39 Martin, (#45 Shead), #46 Banton, #47 Johnson, #59 Hernandez, #59 Harris

The only slot that doesn't look really are the teens slot with Dick and Walter.

Maybe we should stop trading picks we're pretty good at drafting.

[LLJ]

After a 30 win season last year, I'm trying to be a realist and objective with this team. but man, it's so hard not to get excited about this team now and not be optimistic about the future.

I don't think this is an Eastern Conference powerhouse or anything but getting at least a 5th or 6th seed shouldn't be completely unbelievable considering how weak this conference is this year (I think it's even worse than it was in the 2010s) and the fact that most of our best players are entering their primes. We also have a bunch of players who, objectively speaking, while not superstars, are all star caliber or borderline all star caliber. I mean we have three guys who are averaging at least 19-5-4. If they play even an average amount of defense this season the talent really should be enough to even be in the mid 40 win range.

And personally, considering the fact that the Raptors were pretty obviously throwing games last year and "resting" their best players as long as they could and STILL couldn't get less than 30 wins always suggested that the team would do better when the organization gave the green light to actually start competing.

If we were in the West I could see the concern about this team not being able to playoff again but this is the East, and the team that went to the NBA Finals last year is now 1-12.

[GIZMO]

some sloppy plays. Nice block by Barnes. stop shooting threes, attack the rim.