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Now, now no need to get personal. We can all be civil people. Don't take things so personally. TJ and Jose are just two random individuals in this world.
As for the whole neutral thing, clearly you're not neutral, but I see you have planted it in your head that you are and won't believe otherwise so I'll just let it go.
As for capable backup. So Calderon doesn't have TJ right now. What does that have to do with how he plays? Are his skills suddenly going to disappear because TJ isn't here? Your argument makes no sense. No player plays with the mindset that they can play relaxed because they have a capable backup. I'm saying Jose's style of game is not going to put this team over the top, unless we actually get elite talent. On the other hand TJ puts us over the top with his talents alone.
Last season we were one of the elite teams in the east. Right now we're a very mediocre team without TJ. Watching the way this team plays right now, it's not the same team we saw last year. There's no intensity or excitement out there. Jose is great at racking up the assists and keeping us afloat, but TJ is our starter because he does more. Right now Calderon is doing what he's supposed to be doing, and that's buying time till TJ gets back. Jose is a great player and many teams would love to have him. But TJ is our starter because he adds that second gear to this team and drives it past mediocrity.
Cynic.......
You tried your best to rebutal, but your arguments are still weak.
Tha Cynic wrote:Now, now no need to get personal. We can all be civil people. Don't take things so personally. TJ and Jose are just two random individuals in this world.
No one is here to get personal. We are here to talk about basketball. Don't forget who called out who first. If you can't take it when I throw basketball arguments at you, then why even bother replying with your weak arguments. If you're insulted by the "full of ****" comment then I am sorry, but that is what your posts are........full of ****.
Tha Cynic wrote:As for the whole neutral thing, clearly you're not neutral, but I see you have planted it in your head that you are and won't believe otherwise so I'll just let it go.
If I am not neutral, then who is?
You??? (I want you to truly answer this one) Hahaha.......I presented good arguments and points that people should take into consideration and instead of considering them, you come up with bs to go against it...
Tha Cynic wrote:As for capable backup. So Calderon doesn't have TJ right now. What does that have to do with how he plays? Are his skills suddenly going to disappear because TJ isn't here? Your argument makes no sense. No player plays with the mindset that they can play relaxed because they have a capable backup. I'm saying Jose's style of game is not going to put this team over the top, unless we actually get elite talent. On the other hand TJ puts us over the top with his talents alone.
Jose's skills won't suddenly disappear and no player plays with the mindset that they can relax...all true. But consider this.....if Jose has a bad game as a starter with TJ out, who is going to save Jose and pick up the slack at the pg position for him in order to help the Raptors win a game? On the other hand, when TJ has a bad game, he can still hope that Calderon can save his ass and pick up the slack for him and give the Raptors a chance to win. It's about team success and wins/losses at the end of the day.
In your last sentence of this part of your post, you are suggesting that......
TJ & D-mart/Juan Dixon >>>> TJ & Jose.
I guess Calderon is not needed and that his style is hindering and holding the team back...
I will let others rip you on this one, but I will say something else........You have indirectly made it clear that you are here to argue in favor of choosing one of the pgs (TJ) rather than keeping both, which any realist would know that it is not the best thing for this team at this point in time. With an injuring TJ and lack of a capable back up to Jose, this team isn't going to go very far with just one of them running the show.
When healthy, this team's biggest strength is it's pg situation, and the fact that this team has yet to take off as an elite team has nothing to do with the performance of the pgs on this team. The pg production on this team has been solid for the most part. The failure to take the next step into elite status comes from other positions within the team (sg, sf,) and at the center position with Bargnani still developing, and struggling in the process.
As a result, TJ isn't the one to take this team to the next level as you ignorantly think so. Nor is Jose the one to take this team to the next level, which I am smart enough to realize. In order for this team to take the next level, it will come down to Bargnani's development and performance at the other positions.
Tha Cynic wrote:Last season we were one of the elite teams in the east. Right now we're a very mediocre team without TJ. Watching the way this team plays right now, it's not the same team we saw last year. There's no intensity or excitement out there. Jose is great at racking up the assists and keeping us afloat, but TJ is our starter because he does more. Right now Calderon is doing what he's supposed to be doing, and that's buying time till TJ gets back. Jose is a great player and many teams would love to have him. But TJ is our starter because he adds that second gear to this team and drives it past mediocrity.
Don't forget that this team had both pgs at the begining of the season and they were still mediocre. Why? because both Chris Bosh and Anthony Parker struggled, while new players were still getting adjusted. At the same time, the pg production was the most consistent and productive. To blame the Raptors mediocrity on the pgs is just foolish.
No one is here to argue who should be starting. TJ is the starting pg for this team. I have no idea why you feel the need to remind people or me who the starting pg is.
Once again in this part of your post, you show little appreciation for what Jose is doing with TJ out and suggest that this team does not want or need Jose. You are also suggesting that TJ doesn't need Jose and would be doing way better by himself then what Jose is doing by himself at the pg position right now. You couldn't be more wrong.
If the one injured right now is Jose, and TJ is starting with D-mart, Juan Dixon backing him up...this team would not be any better. Especially not an elite team as you seem to suggest TJ can do by himself.