Dalembert on the block

[The_Hater]

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Do the Raptors get the best player in the deal? Absolutely. But don't be so quick to pull the trigger..
I'm curious to see what Bryan has in mind with this year's first. I don't foresee a franchise player in the early 20's, but definitely a serviceable prospect. Not to mention the cap flexibility that's around the corner. Nothing too significant, but enough to take back salary via. trade. The Raptors are definitely going to need to address the 2/3 spot down the stretch, and the cap flex could be our advantage.

I agree with you in theory. Isiah and the Knciks apparantly got the 'best player in the deal' in almost every trade he's made the last 2-3 years but msot of them were both overpaid and extremely bad fits for his team.

But in this instance, I believe that Dalembert provides almost a perfect fit for what we need. We need better rebounding and we need a weak side shot-blocker to help the defense and he provides both in a Center's body. Plus I see the fact that he doesn't need the ball or need plays called for him as a positive. He just looks for offensive put-backs and stays active inside for open dunks.

Yes we still need more help at the 2/3 spots in terms of a better player, but you can't build Rome in a day. You still need to add pieces to the puzzle when those opportunites arise. And I still believe that issue can and will be addressed when it comes time to trade one of the PG's.

[The-Insider]

I agree with you in theory. Isiah and the Knciks apparantly got the 'best player in the deal' in almost every trade he's made the last 2-3 years but msot of them were both overpaid and extremely bad fits for his team.

But in this instance, I believe that Dalembert provides almost a perfect fit for what we need. We need better rebounding and we need a weak side shot-blocker to help the defense and he provides both in a Center's body. Plus I see the fact that he doesn't need the ball or need plays called for him as a positive. He just looks for offensive put-backs and stays active inside for open dunks.

Yes we still need more help at the 2/3 spots in terms of a better player, but you can't build Rome in a day. You still need to add pieces to the puzzle when those opportunites arise. And I still believe that issue can and will be addressed when it comes time to trade one of the PG's.

I agree with the assessment on Dalembart, but is the cost going to outweigh the benefit? The PG duo has paid dividends on this squad, but even if you want take that route, TJ's status is still unknown. The first rounder can really do something on this squad, whether it's drafting a big or a swingman. The cap flex gives the Raptors some options here in both trading and signing; and the opportunity will arise in both the draft and the offseason. Cap flex played a marquee role in BC's makeover of the squad, and what he has today looking forward. This is something that's going to be limited with Dally's contract, sort of something like the Sixers situation. I'm not completely against the trade, but there are just some things you have to consider down the stretch. And that's the team this franchise is going to be banking on, down the stretch.

[Axl]

Sorry haven't read all the posts, but I'd take dalembert over rasho just because I don't think he's hit his ceiling.

But there is no way BC takes on a one-dimensional player at any position and one thing I don't see dalembert developing is a jump shot.

[Mr. Perfect]

Sorry haven't read all the posts, but I'd take dalembert over rasho just because I don't think he's hit his ceiling.

But there is no way BC takes on a one-dimensional player at any position and one thing I don't see dalembert developing is a jump shot.

Two things wrong with that post.

One, BC drafted one of the most one-dimensional players in the league with the first pick in the draft in Bargnani.

Two, you obviously have never seen Dalembert play. As he has a very nice jumpshot from about 15-18ft. Not that we want him shooting jumpers anyways, we want him in the paint getting put-backs and dunks.

[Joker]

Sorry haven't read all the posts, but I'd take dalembert over rasho just because I don't think he's hit his ceiling.

But there is no way BC takes on a one-dimensional player at any position and one thing I don't see dalembert developing is a jump shot.

Yes, if

shooting = multi-dimensional
rebounding, defence, and putbacks/points in the paint = one-dimensional.

[The_Hater]

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I agree with the assessment on Dalembart, but is the cost going to outweigh the benefit? The PG duo has paid dividends on this squad, but even if you want take that route, TJ's status is still unknown. The first rounder can really do something on this squad, whether it's drafting a big or a swingman. The cap flex gives the Raptors some options here in both trading and signing; and the opportunity will arise in both the draft and the offseason. Cap flex played a marquee role in BC's makeover of the squad, and what he has today looking forward. This is something that's going to be limited with Dally's contract, sort of something like the Sixers situation. I'm not completely against the trade, but there are just some things you have to consider down the stretch. And that's the team this franchise is going to be banking on, down the stretch.

Put it this way. If BC doesn't take a chance and go the direction of one of the two PG's, the way I see it he's basically wasting an asset. Because the 2nd guy, although one of the better PG's in the league, will only be an expensive 16-20 mpg caddy. And that's a waste of both talent and cap space. Trade one of them and you're going to add a pretty significant player at another position (at least the way I see it we will).

So even if that means rolling the dice with TJ and trading Jose, it has to be done. I can't ever remember a top team losing one of their best players and then still winning a championship so if it's TJ that he picks to keep, you just have to roll the dice with it. Playing it safe and keeping both won't win us a championship because as you pointed out yourself, we have other holes that need to be filled before we get there. Now of course in this scenerio, we won't have Dixon and DMart pretending to be back-up PG's. That role will need to be upgraded too.

As for Dally? We're not going to be under the cap going forward so it's not like he's really killing cap flexibility. We'll still have the exception every year same as we would without him. So if we can add him without giving up a significant player, that really is like having the cap space to sign him. He'd be a 26 year old free-agent Center on a 3 year, $30 million contract.

[Lockdown]

Man, this is Jamal Magloire all over again. Still, I'd love to see it happen.

[user name]

I do know that Mo Cheeks has liked Rasho for some time.

[gangstaff]

I would trade Bargs and filler for Dally without a second thought. Even if Bargs flourishes and turns into a great scorer, it will be at the 4 spot or on a team like the Sixers who are much better defensively and on the glass. Having a bruiser and rebound machine like Evans beside him would help, and their rookie big man (can't remember his name) looked good in that area as well.

BUT, with a starting lineup of Jose-AP-Moon-Bosh-Dally we are now offensively challenged if CB isn't getting a touch every possession. Either that or we'd have to change our offense up a bit and get 1)Dally low post touches 2) Moon cuts and backdoor plays 3) use our crazy length and athleticism better.

With TJ in there instead of Jose, less of an issue I'd say. But I don't think we can count on having TJ available anymore. He's gotta prove himself all over again after this latest crisis, which is terrible for both himself and the fans.

EDIT: Think if we threw in Kapono/Delfino/Hump instead of crap salary filler and took back a player they don't really want we could get a draft pick as well? Getting Sam Dalembert for the #1 overall pick is kinda crappy ROI, even if he fits our needs.

[Los Manos]

I too would give up our first round pick along with Rasho & Dixon to get Dalambert. If there is no deal out there for 76'ers to free up room this summer then I think they could consider this and add a few pices through the draft this year, get a high pick next summer too and have cap room for the best free agent crop in 2009. If were to then this kind of deal makes great sense for philly.

And as mentioned in this thread BC is a big fan of Dalambert. However as a rule, any potential deal that is discussed on the net never EVER happens. shame.

[WD-40]

I'd be interested in Dally if it didn't include Bosh, Bargs, Jose/TJ. YOu can never have too many bigs. Especially a big who plays big.

I don't see Philly doing Rasho/Dixon/first but it's not bad if they want to dump salary.

No way I trade Bargs. I'm stubborn I'd much prefer to wait and see.

[WD-40]

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I've been saying this for the past year, but all people seem to think about is that dust up in Detroit that happeneed YEARS AGO.

A team like Toronto should only risk Artest if we are going to make a push for the championship. And we are not, so he quiet simply is not worth the risk. If we got him last year like you wanted he'd have likely f*cked up by now. He leaves more dust than the Beastie Boys smoked.

[Trilogy]

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Put it this way. If BC doesn't take a chance and go the direction of one of the two PG's, the way I see it he's basically wasting an asset. Because the 2nd guy, although one of the better PG's in the league, will only be an expensive 16-20 mpg caddy. And that's a waste of both talent and cap space. Trade one of them and you're going to add a pretty significant player at another position (at least the way I see it we will).

So even if that means rolling the dice with TJ and trading Jose, it has to be done. I can't ever remember a top team losing one of their best players and then still winning a championship so if it's TJ that he picks to keep, you just have to roll the dice with it. Playing it safe and keeping both won't win us a championship because as you pointed out yourself, we have other holes that need to be filled before we get there. Now of course in this scenerio, we won't have Dixon and DMart pretending to be back-up PG's. That role will need to be upgraded too.

As for Dally? We're not going to be under the cap going forward so it's not like he's really killing cap flexibility. We'll still have the exception every year same as we would without him. So if we can add him without giving up a significant player, that really is like having the cap space to sign him. He'd be a 26 year old free-agent Center on a 3 year, $30 million contract.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the PG's and Dalembert. He fills alot of holes that we have on this squad.

Ultimately, even with TJ's shaky health, it's a risk we need to take to get to championship level.

I feel a little better than most because I really like Roko, so I see the backup right there, though having another veteran like Darrell Armstrong would be nice in case he doesn't pan out.

In the event of a Dalembert trade, I'd also be keeping an eye out for what we could get for Bargnani (assuming he isn't part of the deal, which I would be against). His best position is at PF, and Bosh has that locked down. You could get some real good value for him too, especially if he picks up his level of play.

[The Answer!]

You can't be in a position where you have two consecutive years coming up without a first rounder (it doesn't have to be your own). You can trade away your first round pick every single year if you want to, as long as it doesn't put you in the aforementioned position.

Thanks for clearing that up.