Bosh/Garnett/Duncan vs. the Pistons

[supersub15]

Last few contests between these three superstars vs. the Pistons. Since Garnett and Duncan played in the Western Conference in the last few years, they only met the Pistons only twice a year. Consequently, I had to go back to the 2005-2005 season to collect enough data. As to Bosh, I only had to go back to 2005-2006, especially in the 2004-2005 season, he was still in his second season and still not enough of a factor on a team dominated by Vince Carter and Jalen Rose.

Here are the stats:

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             Games    Points    Rebounds    FG%     FTA
Tim Duncan     7       17.0       11.42    .466     6.0
Kevin Garnett  8       19.3       10.75    .438     6.2
Chris Bosh     7       19.2       11.86    .445     5.2

As you can see, Chris Bosh is not the only PF-dominated team to struggle against Rasheed Wallace and the suffocating interior defense of the Pistons. Mind you, of the three, I'd still take Bosh's 19/12 and 5 FTA, in this instance, over the other 2.

Relax, take a deep breath.

[Guy Smiley]

Bosh's stats look very impressive to be honest. It's a shame the rest of the team gets squashed by the superior talent on the Pistons.

[Tommy Gun]

The Pistons play such great team D it's awesome to watch. Obviously Rasheed is great individually, but watch the way the guards and other big men play off the ball and you can see why their interior D is so good. It's become habit for them.

[whysoserious]

Bosh's stats look very impressive to be honest. It's a shame the rest of the team gets squashed by the superior talent on the Pistons.

That's exactly it. Bosh has had his struggles against them, but he battles and still produces to a certain extent. But it seems like they do such a good job shutting down the other guys and that limits what Bosh can do as well.

Also, on offense, they know how to pick apart the player's to attack and find weaknesses on opposing defenses.

[AfricanSensation]

Thank you!

The Pistons with the Spurs are the best defensive team in the league and have been for the past 5 years.

Somehow if Bosh does not get 30+ against them he is a soft scrub afraid of Sheed. I am pretty sure our 23 year PF is outscoring and outrebounding Sheed in their one of one matchup but somehow he is supposed to destroy him like its Jeffries and the Knicks!

[tsherkin]

Nice post, a good perspective on Bosh vs. Detroit.

[chsh22]

This could prove to be the critical difference maker if Boston and Detroit meet in the playoffs. If KG is somewhat neutralized Boston will be in the same position we are -- relying on the outside shot falling and the D keeping Detroit in check.

We're probably better with the ball at the 3 pt line, but Boston's D is way better than ours.

Out of curiosity SS, what were the respective players averaging during the years they met? It would be a clearer indicator of how effective the Piston's D actually is on the inside IMO. Like if they held Bosh to 19.2/12/5, when he's averaging 19/11/3 I don't think that's necessarily their interior D doing all that amazing.

Would also be interesting to see how many interior players have had 25+ points in the last two seasons vs Detroit.

[supersub15]

This could prove to be the critical difference maker if Boston and Detroit meet in the playoffs. If KG is somewhat neutralized Boston will be in the same position we are -- relying on the outside shot falling and the D keeping Detroit in check.

We're probably better with the ball at the 3 pt line, but Boston's D is way better than ours.

Out of curiosity SS, what were the respective players averaging during the years they met? It would be a clearer indicator of how effective the Piston's D actually is on the inside IMO. Like if they held Bosh to 19.2/12/5, when he's averaging 19/11/3 I don't think that's necessarily their interior D doing all that amazing.

Would also be interesting to see how many interior players have had 25+ points in the last two seasons vs Detroit.

Good question. Here are the stats for the 3 players during the years in which their stats against the Pistons were compiled.

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             Seasons  Games Points  FG%  Rebounds  FTA
Tim Duncan      4      258    19.47 .509    10.87   6.7
Kevin Garnett   4      270    21.61 .506    12.61   6.4
Chris Bosh      3      172    22.33 .493     9.85   8.4

So, as you can see, all players were held below their normal shooting averages, but all had better rebounding numbers, namely because Sheed is a below-average rebounder for his size.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Sheed, underrated due to his attitude, but not sure he's be so good without it.

[BIGSMOOTH79]

wow, nice post

[chsh22]

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Good question. Here are the stats for the 3 players during the years in which their stats against the Pistons were compiled.

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                 Seasons   Games   Points   FG%   Rebounds   FTA
Tim Duncan          4       258     19.47  .509     10.87    6.7
Kevin Garnett       4       270     21.61  .506     12.61    6.4
Chris Bosh          3       172     22.33  .493      9.85    8.4

So, as you can see, all players were held below their normal shooting averages, but all had better rebounding numbers, namely because Sheed is a below-average rebounder for his size.

Wow - FTA for Bosh is way down (more than 3 attempts). FG% is also down across the board, by about 5%.

[Joker]

Did you guys ever consider the possibility that these 3 guys simply aren't very good?

[T-dot Raps]

Did you guys ever consider the possibility that these 3 guys simply aren't very good?

Guy Smiley, move over.

[Rasheeed!!!]

check the stats on Randolph..........he eats the Pistons up. Over the last 2-3yrs i'd say he averages over 25ppg and 50%+

[bychai]

check the stats on Randolph..........he eats the Pistons up. Over the last 2-3yrs i'd say he averages over 25ppg and 50%+

GET RANDOLPH NOW!

Good post though, it's good to know it's not just us. Detroit's defense is like a well-oiled machine, they scare me. They really shut us down.

[chsh22]

Did you guys ever consider the possibility that these 3 guys simply aren't very good?

[Rasheeed!!!]

Randolph scores and rebounds against Pistons since 05/06

05/06
21 & 37......10 & 11
06/07
31 & 21......13 & 11
07/08
13 & 25......5 & 8


24.7ppg....9.7rpg.....deffinately impressive.

[asif9t9]

I got no problem with how CB plays against the Pistons. The difference, though, is he still needs to get better at passing out of trouble. So, he can still put up his stats, but for the other to be better, CB needs to be crisper with his plays.

[tosi]

Man imagine if we had picked up Rasheed..