Could Bulls situation benefit Raps?

Jimmy The Greek · Post #21 » by **Jimmy The Greek** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:31 pm

Trilogy wrote:Teams we should keep an eye on are the Clippers, Milwaukee & Memphis.

I would love to see Maggette here, his ability to get to the free throw line amazes me. With his ability to drive to the basket and Bosh on the post; that would open up crazy shots for Kapono, AP and Jose. Even give Bargs more room to operate.

Post #22 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:46 pm

Trilogy wrote:Teams we should keep an eye on are the Clippers, Milwaukee & Memphis.

I hear that Aaron Williams fellow on the Clippers is a gritty rebounder... :lol:

tosi · Post #23 » by **tosi** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:56 pm

tensai wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No, I think that bum would fit well playing alongside Chris Bosh.

And also we need to free up more developmental minutes for the young bigs, so we kind of desperate to get rid of him.

I tend to believe wallace would be nice alongside Bosh. With Bosh shooting it would be nice to have a big camping underneath for either a rebound or put back jam. But if Wallace wants to try to be a scorer, I don't see how it would help us at all. He would have to be our defensive monster that intimtates the other teams guards. Lets face it, too many players get easy rides to the basket.

Post #24 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:58 pm

tosi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I tend to believe wallace would be nice alongside Bosh. With Bosh shooting it would be nice to have a big camping underneath for either a rebound or put back jam. But if Wallace wants to try to be a scorer, I don't see how it would help us at all. He would have to be our defensive monster that intimtates the other teams guards. Lets face it, too many players get easy rides to the basket.

I tend to agree, it seems that the day after we play a team like the Pistons that is tougher then us it becomes clear that while we have a lot of great parts we really like that Oakley-esk tough guy under the basket.

tosi · Post #25 » by **tosi** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:01 pm

With a petition for Big Ben to leave town, they ought to package Noah along with him. BC needs to get this done.

Post #26 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:04 pm

tosi wrote:With a petition for Big Ben to leave town, they ought to package Noah along with him. BC needs to get this done.

LOL, Ironically I have a similar deal on my trade checker as we speak,

I think with Noah and Wallaces issues them being traded together is unlikely especially with Noah looking like he may surpass Tyrus Thomas on the depth chart with his play as of late,

I never keen on taking on huge contracts, but if memory serves Ben has next season and the season after left, and next season he could be an asset under the basket and the season after he becomes an expiring (basically the logic most of us shared when we traded for Rasho)

If Paxson REALLY wants to move him, so much so that he would be willing to apply "butter" to get that contract moved,

If we would toss in a Tyrus Thomas or a 1st rounder perhaps it becomes more appealing?

GideonRapfan · Post #27 » by **GideonRapfan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:12 pm

tosi wrote:With a petition for Big Ben to leave town, they ought to package Noah along with him. BC needs to get this done.

With the two of them having a verbal confrontation, I can't see how well they would remain as teammates, but why not... A wing, a young PF and an albatross C for a wing, a young PF, and an albatross C:

To Chicago:

Kapono, Humphries and Nesterovic.

To Toronto:

Sefolosha, Noah and Wallace.

It works in the checker...

tosi · Post #28 » by **tosi** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:14 pm

GideonRapfan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

With the two of them having a verbal confrontation, I can't see how well they would remain as teammates, but why not... A wing, a young PF and an albatross C for a wing, a young PF, and an albatross C:

To Chicago:

Kapono, Humphries and Nesterovic.

To Toronto:

Sefolosha, Noah and Wallace.

It works in the checker...

That is a robbery, I don't think Chi town fans will be pleased.. lol

dacrusha · Post #29 » by **dacrusha** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:25 pm

Bringing in Ben Wallace would be a disaster.

The Bulls are itching to drop his $14 million/year contract to anyone who is dumb enough to take it on.

His contract runs into 2009/10, which, coincidentally would ruin our chances to fianally use some of our cap room to make some noise.

His dropoff has been huge the last couple of years and he is now in the midst of the worst scoring and rebounding season of his career. One positive: his free throw shooting is at a near career high of .471.

His defensive presence is about average now, but on offense, his lack of scoring prowess would let teams double team CB4 with ease. How is this advantageous for us?

Say no to Ben Wallace; he is no longer the best defender or rebounder in the league... in fact, he isn't even the first or second best 'Wallace' in the league.

GideonRapfan · Post #30 » by **GideonRapfan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:25 pm

tosi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That is a robbery, I don't think Chi town fans will be pleased.. lol

Originally, I thought we could throw in some future picks... but when you think about it, Humphries is only about three weeks older than Noah, and is putting up better numbers on a winning team. Sefalosha will probably never be as productive as Kapono is and can be, and with fans trying to run Big Ben out of town, and Paxson probably aching to get out from under than contract, I think having a near-expiring, savvy veteran like Rasho to mentor their young big men would be a bonus.

Otherwise, they can look for other offers, or be happy with their crappiness.

Scott Carefoot · Post #31 » by **Scott Carefoot** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:30 pm

Bargnani for Noah and Khryapa works in the trade checker - and I swear to Jeebus I would pull the trigger on this trade right now. For all his supposed upside, I'm starting to believe that Bargs doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to ever fulfil his potential.

In the 2006 draft, I was in favor of taking Noah first overall if he declared. I've always been enamored with his all around game and boundless energy. Smitch would LOVE this guy. Bosh and Noah would complement each other very well on both ends of the court, and I would keep Rasho around to deal with size mismatches.

I get the feeling that Noah is one of those guys who rubs some people the wrong way, but I think he just marches to his own beat. What can't be disputed is that he's a winner and he's probably throwing fits in Chicago because it seems like he might be the only player on that team who really gives a crap about what a mess the Bulls are. I checked the Bulls board and they unanimously support Noah for getting in Big Ben's face. Some of them go so far as to say he's the only player they care about keeping on their team going forward.

Sadly, it's a pipe dream to think that BC will ever trade his golden boy - although my respect for him would go through the roof if he had the balls to admit his mistake like a man and make this trade.

Sorry for the long post but I'm dreading the next few seasons of "Waiting for Bargnani - The Mini-Series". Noah is a rookie and he currently has a PER of 18.38 - the best on his team. Noah won't be a superstar but he's going to be a very good complementary player. People like to compare him to Varejao but I see "Camby 2.0". And with apologies to Bargnani supporters, the only thing Bargs will ever do better than Noah is shoot. Since we all know Bargs is here to stay, I guess I'll have to hope he proves me wrong.

Post #32 » by **Harry Palmer** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:30 pm

In response to the OP:

I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU!

Send Bargs to Pamplona. It's genius! I wish I had thought of it.

IF he makes it through that, rebounding should seem like a walk in the park. If not, we blame it on the Spanish National team again, and see if we can get their insurance to cover the hospital bills.

Either way, it's a win.

I like where your head is at, my brother.

Post #33 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:33 pm

dacrusha wrote:Bringing in Ben Wallace would be a disaster.

The Bulls are itching to drop his $14 million/year contract to anyone who is dumb enough to take it on.

His contract runs into 2009/10, which, coincidentally would ruin our chances to fianally use some of our cap room to make some noise.

His dropoff has been huge the last couple of years and he is now in the midst of the worst scoring and rebounding season of his career. One positive: his free throw shooting is at a near career high of .471.

His defensive presence is about average now, but on offense, his lack of scoring prowess would let teams double team CB4 with ease. How is this advantageous for us?

Say no to Ben Wallace; he is no longer the best defender or rebounder in the league... in fact, he isn't even the first or second best 'Wallace' in the league.

I see where you are coming from,
But the reality is that even with Wallace experiencing his worst season in a while he would still walk in and based on those stats he would be our second best rebounder and 9.0RPG (Bosh is at 9.3) and our best shot blocker at 1.6BPG (Moon is also at 1.6)

The contract is terrible, but if that contract came along with Tyrus Thomas or another young player as butter would you really not even consider it?

Teabag · Post #34 » by **Teabag** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:50 pm

if it's toughness you're looking for, go see what the Sonics want for Kurt Thomas or what PJ Brown is up to these days ... Kurt Thomas off of the Bench would be great ... if Wallace's contract was 1 year shorter, I'd listen but it's not

orangutooth · Post #35 » by **orangutooth** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:57 pm

people actually want ben wallace?

GideonRapfan · Post #36 » by **GideonRapfan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:14 pm

orangutooth wrote:people actually want ben wallace?

Ben Wallace is like Lobster: nothing more than a very expensive vehicle for butter.

Trilogy · Post #37 » by **Trilogy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:25 pm

Wallace sucks bigtime guys. Unless there was some huge sweetening of the pot from their side, ie. Thabo & Noah there's no way I take him.

He's a cancer.

Post #38 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:25 pm

GideonRapfan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ben Wallace is like Lobster: nothing more than a very expensive vehicle for butter.

Lobster I love it

A Player who's contract is so bad that it requires butter in order to move.

Post #39 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:27 pm

Trilogy wrote:Wallace sucks bigtime guys. Unless there was some huge sweetening of the pot from their side, ie. Thabo & Noah there's no way I take him.

He's a cancer.

I fully agree that a sweetener would be needed or "butter" if you will, but he doesn't "suck" especially in relation to our team, if he showed up today statistically he is our second best rebounder and best shot blocker, even in one of his worst statistical seasons.