Giving Bargnani 5 years...

[Joker]

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Andre Iguodala

Trade an overbite for an underbite?

[theSkinny]

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That sounds smart, so there is virtually no way that's what I was saying.

it all comes out sooner or later...


bargs career isnt anywhere close to even starting to take off and it will and everyone who cried and blathered on will have something new to cry about ....

[RingItUp!]

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I'll tell you what, it wasn't my baking. :emoticon with the suggestive eyebrows:

... wait... was it your hors d'ouevres platters?

The way you handled the whisk?

I only took horticulture so I'm confused. Probably has something to do with the fertilizer I drank.

[Shell Shock]

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bargs career isnt anywhere close to even starting to take off and it will and everyone who cried and blathered on will have something new to cry about ....

I think it's a pretty good bet that if things go the way you predict, even those who have legitimatly doubted his ability (or in your words "cried and blathered") will be celebrating and only too happy to eat a healthy dose of humble pie.

[Vorticity]

2) While BC DID ask for patience, he does that with every draft pick, and he himself and via mouthpieces stated several times a rejection of the suggestion that Bargs was a project. In fact, Mr. Swirsky, several times, on the air, bristled with indignation at the mere suggestion.

That's just rubbish, this is how you sneak in these foolish assertions, Chuck Swirsky is now a mouthpiece of Colangelo? wow! just wow!

I wasn't going to point that out, but I've noticed that you've been doing this for a while now and that's just pathetic.

Colangelo is way too smarter than you make him look like and he has many better options to use the Swirk as his PR statesman.

Everything that Swrisky says is his own opinion (including that embarrasing ROY vote, I guess that was also Colangelo's plan channeled through Swirsky, right?) he is a employee of MLSE but in no way or regards is he part of the coaching/PR/management team.

Give me 1 example that would show what chuck states is Colangelo's/coaches official opinion on matters?

Even to suggest such a link is pathetic

[Kordic27]

I don't think Bargs doubters are unwilling to be patient, I think they wonder what, seeing him play now, his ceiling could possibly be.

At this point, an Okur-like player would be far too much to expect IMO. And naturally, that is disappointing - he was the #1 overall pick, and it's not too much to expect that the #1 overall pick, even in a weak draft year, be a contributor.

Maybe, just maybe, we could have even expected him to be a contributor as a 22 yr old NBA sophmore with years of professional experience playing in Europe. Gasp.

[theSkinny]

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That's just rubbish, this is how you sneak in these foolish assertions, Chuck Swirsky is now a mouthpiece of Colangelo? wow! just wow!

I wasn't going to point that out, but I've noticed that you've been doing this for a while now and that's just pathetic.

Colangelo is way too smarter than you make him look like and he has many better options to use the Swirk as his PR statesman.

Everything that Swrisky says is his own opinion (including that embarrasing ROY vote, I guess that was also Colangelo's plan channeled through Swirsky, right?) he is a employee of MLSE but in no way or regards is he part of the coaching/PR/management team.

Give me 1 example that would show what chuck states is Colangelo's/coaches official opinion on matters?

Even to suggest such a link is pathetic

Im sorry but these two lines if you they were to be the only lines read from your post make a very strong argument for your case on this one..



And Shell Shock....I hope they do, but history unfortunately tell us otherwise...

[Fairview4Life]

I don't think Bargs doubters are unwilling to be patient, I think they wonder what, seeing him play now, his ceiling could possibly be.

At this point, an Okur-like player would be far too much to expect IMO. And naturally, that is disappointing - he was the #1 overall pick, and it's not too much to expect that the #1 overall pick, even in a weak draft year, be a contributor.

Maybe, just maybe, we could have even expected him to be a contributor as a 22 yr old NBA sophmore with years of professional experience playing in Europe. Gasp.

He was a contributor in the 2nd half last season, and in the playoffs. As a 21 year old rookie. I don't think it's too much to expect some posters on an internet messageboard to have some patience.

[Vorticity]

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Im sorry but these two lines if you they were to be the only lines read from your post make a very strong argument for your case on this one..



And Shell Shock....I hope they do, but history unfortunately tell us otherwise...

What? your post doesn't make any sense Skinny.

It's very clear: there are only 3 people in the organization who make "official" comments/remarks about players: GM, assistant GM and to some extent the Head Coach and that's it. not even Wayne Embry or even scouts, let alone someone in the ranks of Chuck Swirsky.

[chsh22]

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Hey Duncan...do you remember a couple weeks back when Bargnani kicked your ass on the court and basically won us the game...do you remember that?

Yeah, do you have any idea how heavy NBA championship rings are? They're starting to weight him down man! No wonder Bargs was able to have a good game against them, the whole team gets slower every time they win a championship...

[Kordic27]

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He was a contributor in the 2nd half last season, and in the playoffs. As a 21 year old rookie. I don't think it's too much to expect some posters on an internet messageboard to have some patience.

You know, looking back, I wonder if we all over-inflate his contributions in the second half of last year and the playoffs. More so than really being a positive, I think he showed that he may have some of the potential that we all wanted to see.

[RingItUp!]

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He was a contributor in the 2nd half last season, and in the playoffs. As a 21 year old rookie. I don't think it's too much to expect some posters on an internet messageboard to have some patience.

If we had patience, why would we be on an internet message board?

Given all the flak that Andrea's getting (and, yes, I know he was the 1st overall pick), why aren't more posters crapping all over Joey Graham? Has everyone just given up on him?

Personally, I think he's going to find a place in the league as an undersized 4/3 combo player. He doesn't have the handles to play on the wing nor the defensive awareness to rotate correctly, but he's strong, finishes well, and can hit consistently from 16-18 ft. and in.

I hope Colangelo trades him for something we can use.

[elephunk]

Now Bob Mcowan is also starting to sour on the Bargnani pick.

www.fan590.com

[RingItUp!]

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You know, looking back, I wonder if we all over-inflate his contributions in the second half of last year and the playoffs. More so than really being a positive, I think he showed that he may have some of the potential that we all wanted to see.

What are you on about? Bargnani's 'potential' being partially realized or at least revealed somehow wasn't 'a positive' for this team? That doesn't make sense.

He didn't show, last season, that he was capable of playing in the post, offensively or defensively, but he did reveal that he can shoot from anywhere, that he can drive with the ball, and that he can pass. The contributions that resulted from the revelation of these abilities were most certainly positive as they helped us win games. However, he has a new task this season.

Bargnani's task this season is to show that he can effectively play the 5. So far, we haven't seen it apart from a very... VERY... few nice passes, post-ups, dunks and some decent man defense.