carlos -- good enough to start now?

jac2jac2 · Post #21 » by **jac2jac2** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:24 am

alysomji wrote:Waive D-Mart and Dixon. Or trade them, if possible.

Delfino should be the backup PG. Looks like he would do fine - and certainly can't do worse than the two headed craptastrophe that backs up Calderon right now.

totally agree, then he should try to post up the other team's backup pg every chance he gets. but sam is not creative enough to do that, i believe he already denied the possibility of that to the media.

bakafool · Post #22 » by **bakafool** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:27 am

I'd love for Delfi to play point for certain stretches. He's capable anyway. Put him in there together with Parker and Moon. That's pretty good perimeter defense right there. We can switch every single time.

yt_boi · Post #23 » by **yt_boi** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:27 am

if delfino became our backup while TJ is out you guys would b!tch just as much. Lets just stay happy with delfino in his current role in which he's thriving in so far.

Remember, it was only about 2 weeks ago when he was in a slump and many posters were even saying he wasn't worth the 2 2nd rounders.

Either way, any time that dixon is running the show Delfino has been on the court at the same time.

I've liked how we've been going small lately. Calderon and Bosh and then 3 of (Parker, Moon, Delfino or Kapono). It's been working great for us for the most part except for the 3rd quarter against detroit.

dagger · Post #24 » by **dagger** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:32 am

The_Hater wrote:Parker has been on fire lately and Moon is our most valuable defender.

I think we should leave him coming off the bench BUT I think that he should also become the back-up PG when Jose sits. I've seen enough off the 2-headed disaster.

Moon our most valuable defender? A very good rebounder and shotblocker but his man on man D is subpar, always biting on fakes, closes out poorly on the perimetre because he's playing the shooter for a block instead of tight to force a bad shot. He had the hook early yesterday, and again today. If not for having some upside, he'd be coming off the bench.

bill russell · Post #25 » by **bill russell** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:43 am

dagger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Moon our most valuable defender? A very good rebounder and shotblocker but his man on man D is subpar, always biting on fakes, closes out poorly on the perimetre because he's playing the shooter for a block instead of tight to force a bad shot. He had the hook early yesterday, and again today. If not for having some upside, he'd be coming off the bench.

the guy's never seen a fake he couldn't bite

dagger · Post #26 » by **dagger** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:47 am

bill russell wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

the guy's never seen a fake he couldn't bite

And when he bites on a fake, he jumps right out of position. There is never any recovery. I like him, think he can improve, but I think Delfino is the more well-rounded player, and since Carlos is getting starter minutes, I'm of the view that we should get down to playing a playoff rotation of eight guys most nights. Have Moon, Kapono, Forderon and Hump come off the bench, spot minutes in case of foul trouble or garbage time for everyone else.

We're at mid-season now. Time for the talking to end and for the serious winning to begin.

bill russell · Post #27 » by **bill russell** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:54 am

"And when he bites on a fake, he jumps right out of position. There is never any recovery."
the 24-second clock is usually run down by the time he lands. i don't want to start another bargnani thread, but if you're right that it's time to tighten the rotation and get prepared for the playoffs, do you use more rasho and less bargs?

The_Hater · Post #28 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:58 am

Figures that dagger doesn't understand how valuable moon's defense is. He's as clueless as ever about the players on our roster.

galeon110 · Post #29 » by **galeon110** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:02 am

No, I like Delfino coming off the bench. Throws the defense off. It's sort of like the strategy the Spurs have. A poor-man's Ginobli coming off the bench for us.

pierrot · Post #30 » by **pierrot** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:33 am

Plus he seems to like coming off the bench. A lot of guys don't like to come in cold, but I don't think it bothers Delfino at all.

bill russell · Post #31 » by **bill russell** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:56 am

pierrot wrote:Plus he seems to like coming off the bench. A lot of guys don't like to come in cold, but I don't think it bothers Delfino at all.

I wouldn't dispute that he's comfortable coming off the bench but they ALL want to start. he said at the beginning of the season that one of the attractions of coming to toronto was being able to compete for a starting role

omeloon · Post #32 » by **omeloon** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:14 am

I'm pretty sure Delfino played A LOT more PG than SF for the Pistons. If it worked for them, should be a decent idea for us!! Like his rebounding wherever he plays though, thats for sure!!

pierrot · Post #33 » by **pierrot** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:10 pm

bill russell wrote:I wouldn't dispute that he's comfortable coming off the bench but they ALL want to start. he said at the beginning of the season that one of the attractions of coming to toronto was being able to compete for a starting role

Since then I've heard him say that he likes coming off the bench and having that defined role of providing a spark of energy to the team. This was in a half-time or post-game interview back towards the beginning of the season. Maybe he didn't mean it but it seemed genuine to me. He wasn't even asked about starting, he just volunteered the comment. I'm sure in the long run he'd prefer to start but I think he's happy with his role right now (as long as he's getting the big minutes, I'm sure).

WaltFrazier · Post #34 » by **WaltFrazier** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:17 pm

For the team to get better, it needs a better player at the 3. An athletic guy with good offense AND defense. Moon would be better as a defensice spark off the bench, like early Dennis Rodman with the Pistons. And Delfino is best as a poor man's Ginobili off the bench. To step up a level, the Raps need a true starting 3 who is a complete player.

disc0 · Post #35 » by **disc0** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:20 pm

Delfino has been playing excellent as of late and he and humps really do create a spark off the bench. I hope this is where the "Depth" of the raptors team that Smitch always talks about comes into play but agree with dagger on his posts earlier that we will need to tighten the rotation to get play off ready and if that means leaving out bargs and replacing him with rasho, then so be it.

The_Hater · Post #36 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:26 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:For the team to get better, it needs a better player at the 3. An athletic guy with good offense AND defense. Moon would be better as a defensice spark off the bench, like early Dennis Rodman with the Pistons. And Delfino is best as a poor man's Ginobili off the bench. To step up a level, the Raps need a true starting 3 who is a complete player.

I agree with you, but don't think that player has to play SF. He can be a SG too. Especially with Parker 32 and slipping defensively.

But a better, offensive minded player beside Moon and he's still a nice guy to have in the starting lineup. A guy that doesn't need the ball or shots. All the top teams have defensive minded players like that in their starting lineups.