OT - Tyrus Thomas on the block

[TDGlenmanor]

Joey n Juan for Ty

[The_Hater]

Joey n Juan for Ty

I'm sure the Bulls will demand DMart be included in order to make it fair............

[Snowcrash]

I would take Noah way before Thomas and that's with my impression of Noah as a taller, spastic, and less offensively talented version of JYD.

[Cliff Levingston]

I would take Noah way before Thomas and that's with my impression of Noah as a taller, spastic, and less offensively talented version of JYD.

Noah is a lot more offensively talented than people give him credit for. His shot is ugly as hell but it's not horribly inaccurate. He's a solid FT shooter, a great offensive rebounder, a great passer and a great ball handler for the C position. Certainly not going to score 20+ ever in his career, but Marcus Camby (similar player) doesn't either and he's a pretty valuable player.

As for Thomas, it's not fair to call him a bust so far. Everyone knew he was a project when he was taken, and on top of that, he really hasn't got a fair shake to show what he can do. It's hard to find a lottery pick in the NBA that's had his minutes jerked around so wildly as Thomas as.

He's very raw but he's got a lot of underrated skills offensively (his defense speaks for itself), he just needs a whole lot of PT and patience to be able to put them together. Because of this, Cliff Levingston wouldn't trade him for Bargnani; we don't need any more guys who make their living on the perimeter.

[Shaazzam]

OT:

LOL

I was waiting for you to speak in the third person Cliff, and there it is!

[Hypz]

Told you he's just another Joey Graham..

[Fairview4Life]

Told you he's just another Joey Graham..

What are you looking for here? Would you like to be told you're wrong again?

[Deadpool_X]

I think he is going to be another Stromile Swift...

Athletic player, slightly better handles.

If he has some drive, he could be something along the lines of Luol Deng.

Either way, better than Bargs

[DerrickRose23]

I think that if they have any opportunity to trade Bargnani for Thomas they should do it. If building that 'phoenix suns' style offense is what they want to do then it would be smart to get Calderon some finishers (i am not saying he is Nash, but he is the playmaker in the offense).. I am not saying Thomas is Marion, but he would be similar to Marion in that he is versatile can fill the statsheet with rebounds,steals,blocks. His offense is alright, but i think that when he is around someone that can create shots for him he would score 17-18 a game.. Put him with Hinrich/Gordon he is mediocre offensively and looks bad, put him with Calderon and he would look great.. Bargnani might not be the post presence the Bulls need right now, but a front court of Noah/Bargnani is more balanced than a Noah/Thomas one.. Thomas also has been a very good on the ball defender guarding 3 positions PF-big sg's. he is really talented in that regard, i'd love to acquire him.

[Rhettmatic]

I think that if they have any opportunity to trade Bargnani for Thomas they should do it. If building that 'phoenix suns' style offense is what they want to do then it would be smart to get Calderon some finishers (i am not saying he is Nash, but he is the playmaker in the offense).. I am not saying Thomas is Marion, but he would be similar to Marion in that he is versatile can fill the statsheet with rebounds,steals,blocks. His offense is alright, but i think that when he is around someone that can create shots for him he would score 17-18 a game.. Put him with Hinrich/Gordon he is mediocre offensively and looks bad, put him with Calderon and he would look great.. Bargnani might not be the post presence the Bulls need right now, but a front court of Noah/Bargnani is more balanced than a Noah/Thomas one.. Thomas also has been a very good on the ball defender guarding 3 positions PF-big sg's. he is really talented in that regard, i'd love to acquire him.

I disagree with this part. Calderon is good at getting the ball to jump shooters or players like Bosh, who just need the ball in a certain place to be really effective. He isn't good at creating high-percentage looks and he's terrible at running the fast break.

[DerrickRose23]

I guess thats where we disagree.. thomas is definitely more in tune w/ the raptors future then bargs is.. thomas is something the raps need a major defensive presence

[chuckerz]

I think Thomas just lacks maturity. Like with the dunk contest last year when he said he was just there for the money.

[The_Hater]

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I disagree with this part. Calderon is good at getting the ball to jump shooters or players like Bosh, who just need the ball in a certain place to be really effective. He isn't good at creating high-percentage looks and he's terrible at running the fast break.

Why does this theory continue to circulate?

Do you realize that with Ford starting at PG last season, the Raps were 29th in the league in points in the paint?

Here's the link if you want to see it.

http://www.82games.com/pointsinpaint.htm


Now think about that for a minute.

So how exactly does that statistic support your theory? I can tell you onw thing, it goes a long way towards disproving it.

Now this is not to knock TJ, this is just to explain the why part. The reason the Raps don't get a lot of dunks and layups is because the team is built around jump shooters. Not because one PG isn't creating dunks for his teammates.

Just look at the roster? Where are the slashers? Who are the mammoth low-block post players? Where's Dwight Howard?!? Meanwhile almost everyone that does play here can hit a jumpshot consistantly. That's the type of team BC has built. And because of that, we're 1st in the league in 3-point percentage this season.

Both PG's are very good at finding players that are open regardless of where they are on the court. That part doesn't change much with either of them running the show. On this team, generally, 3 of those players are standing behind the 3-point arc. Granted, TJ is better at creating his own shot but that has nothing to do with creating dunks and layups for teammates.

[DerrickRose23]

come on that was a year ago, the money was going to charity anyways. He is very well liked by teammates people dont realize that you are ultimately playing with your teammates screw the media, the posters here, those are not the guys you goto war w/.. perception

[Rhettmatic]

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I disagree with this part. Calderon is good at getting the ball to jump shooters or players like Bosh, who just need the ball in a certain place to be really effective. He isn't good at creating high-percentage looks and he's terrible at running the fast break.

Why does this theory continue to circulate?

Do you realize that with Ford starting at PG last season, the Raps were 29th in the league in points in the paint?

Here's the link if you want to see it.

http://www.82games.com/pointsinpaint.htm

Where did I say that Ford was better at this than Calderon? I just said that Calderon wasn't great at getting guys looks who aren't jump-shooters.

For the record, though, Ford is much better at running the fast break -- or at least, much more likely to run the fast break, where Calderon always pulls out. Still, I don't see Thomas getting many points in our system.

That's not really his strength, anyway, but that was the part of the other post I was responding to, that Calderon would somehow find him looks that Hinrich and Gordon couldn't.

[WD-40]

I'm still a fan of the bustache.

I figure if I give Bargs and TT a shot, by default, I should at least give him a chance too.

As is, it's looking like a rough 1,2 (TT trade),3, and in Sheldon at the 5th. Not good thus far. Something is bound to break.

[supersub15]

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Where did I say that Ford was better at this than Calderon? I just said that Calderon wasn't great at getting guys looks who aren't jump-shooters.

For the record, though, Ford is much better at running the fast break -- or at least, much more likely to run the fast break, where Calderon always pulls out. Still, I don't see Thomas getting many points in our system.

That's not really his strength, anyway, but that was the part of the other post I was responding to, that Calderon would somehow find him looks that Hinrich and Gordon couldn't.

You basically circumvented his whole argument, and concentrated on something that he wasn't even claiming. Read again and you'll figure it out.

[Rhettmatic]

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You basically circumvented his whole argument, and concentrated on something that he wasn't even claiming. Read again and you'll figure it out.

But I never disputed the rest of his argument. He's right, this team is built around jump shooters who don't take it to the rim.

The point I made originally was that Calderon would be no more adept than Hinrich at getting Tyrus Thomas easy looks.

I just responded to the part of his message that was directed at me. I left the rest alone because I didn't really have much of an opinion on it.

[supersub15]

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But I never disputed the rest of his argument. He's right, this team is built around jump shooters who don't take it to the rim.

The point I made originally was that Calderon would be no more adept than Hinrich at getting Tyrus Thomas easy looks.

I just responded to the part of his message that was directed at me. I left the rest alone because I didn't really have much of an opinion on it.

OK, got it. But that doesn't answer his contention that this team is built around jump-shooting, i.e. we won't know whether Calderon or Ford can direct a Phoenix style offense until we get the right players for that system.